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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:57 AM Oct 2014

CDC: Ebola patient may have had symptoms on Frontier flight from Cleveland to Dallas [View all]

Source: ABC Channel 7 Denver

DENVER - A Dallas nurse who has Ebola may have had symptoms while on a public flight from Cleveland to Dallas.

That startling development was announced Wednesday night from Frontier Airlines CEO Dave Siegel who sent the following message to airline employees: "At 1:55 p.m. MDT (Wednesday) Frontier was notified by the CDC that the passenger may have been symptomatic earlier than initially suspected; including the possibility of possessing symptoms while onboard the flight.

"In light of the new information, Frontier determines that the aircraft will remain out of service and ferries it back to Denver from Cleveland without customers. The flight departs at 6:20 p.m. EDT and arrives in Denver at 7:20 p.m. MDT. In an abundance of caution, it is determined that the aircraft will receive a fourth cleaning since the infected customer was onboard. Though not required, this cleaning will consist of the removal of seat covers and carpets in the immediate vicinity of the passenger seat. The airline will also change the environmental filters onboard.

"NOTE: These extraordinary actions went beyond CDC recommendations. These steps were taken out of concern for the safety of our customers and employees. Steps such as removing the aircraft from service, removing aircraft seat covers and carpet and replacing environmental filters as well as placing the crew on paid leave were not requested nor mandated by the CDC. Frontier expects that the aircraft will return to service in a few days."

The plane, which had been grounded in Cleveland, flew empty to Denver International Airport to undergo the additional These steps were taken out of concern for the safety of our customers and employees. Steps such as removing the aircraft from service, removing aircraft seat covers and carpet and replacing environmental filters as well as placing the crew on paid leave were not requested nor mandated by the CDC. Frontier expects that the aircraft will return to service in a few days."



Read more: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/health/ebola/frontier-plane-that-carried-ebola-patient-made-5-additional-trips10152014



It is quite significant that the airline felt compelled to "go beyond CDC recommendations". Someone at that airline is smart enough to realize that the CDC is flying blind when it comes to whether the Ebola virus has mutated such that it is more contagious than thought in the past. The farther this virus spreads, and the more people it infects, the greater the opportunity the virus has to mutate as to (1) whether a victim is infectious BEFORE they are symptomatic; and (2) whether the disease becomes airborne.

According to Flight Aware, after Vinson flew from Cleveland to Dallas, the same Frontier Airlines plane made five additional trips:

Frontier Flight 2042 departed to Dallas on Oct. 14 at 8:11 a.m. CDT and arrived in Cleveland at 11:14 a.m. EDT
Frontier Flight 1104 departed Cleveland on Oct. 14 at 12:24 p.m. EDT and arrived in Fort Lauderdale at 3 p.m. EDT
Frontier Flight 1105 departed Fort Lauderdale on Oct. 14 at 4:02 p.m. EDT and arrived in Cleveland at 6:16 p.m. EDT
Frontier Flight 1101 departed Cleveland on Oct. 14 7:24 p.m. EDT and arrived in Atlanta at 9:03 p.m. EDT
Frontier Flight 1100 departed Atlanta o An Oct. 14 at 10:12 p.m. EDT and arrived in Cleveland at 11:19 p.m. EDT
Frontier jet lands in Denver Wednesday afternoon and is taken to a Frontier maintenance hanger for further decontamination cleanup procedures.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N220FR/history/20141014/2215Z/KCLE/KATL

Siegel ended his letter to Frontier employees by saying, "We take today’s events seriously as your safety and that of our customers is always at the forefront of everything we do. Since we were notified by the CDC, we’ve proactively placed six crew members (two pilots; four flight attendants) on paid leave for 21 days out of an abundance of caution as the safety and security of our employees is our number one priority. This was over and above CDC guidance that stated that our flight crews were safe to fly."

Customers who may have traveled on the Frontier flights the nurse was on should contact CDC at 1-800-CDC-INFO.

FlightAware shows the plane was scheduled for flights Thursday from Atlanta to Washington Dulles and then on to Chicago.
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No radiation like the mail got for anthrax? Downwinder Oct 2014 #1
Best response yet - taking measures out of an abundance of caution - that is what is needed. Justice Oct 2014 #2
That is what is lacking with this CDC. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #22
"this CDC"? Darb Oct 2014 #34
There's nothing peculiar about the wording. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #36
"This" CDC implies it is different than other CDCs, Darb Oct 2014 #55
Each team has its own challenges. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #58
He probably means "the black man's CDC". Just a wild-assed guess. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #59
Shame on you kestrel. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #61
Divernan Diclotican Oct 2014 #3
"whether the Ebola virus has mutated" Android3.14 Oct 2014 #4
Those who don't believe in evolution think this is fear mongering. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #5
Thank you for an informed & factual contribution to the discussion. Divernan Oct 2014 #11
Citations please for viruses that mutated to different forms of transmission. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #39
Stick to the issue Android3.14 Oct 2014 #45
I am sticking to the issue. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #50
ALL viruses mutate. It's what viruses do. NickB79 Oct 2014 #66
Ebola mutates all the time. And VIROLOGISTS are pretty fucking sure that it's physically impossible kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #60
self delete mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #67
Your model & terminology are overly simplistic & out of date. Divernan Oct 2014 #73
See post 9. Try not to be terrified of facing reality. Divernan Oct 2014 #10
Can you expand upon.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2014 #23
What do you mean "whether the Ebola virus has mutated such that it is more contagious?" morningfog Oct 2014 #6
All biologists know that viruses DO mutate. Ebola is no exception. There are no exceptions. Divernan Oct 2014 #9
So, no evidence. blackspade Oct 2014 #16
Ebola would be unique among all life forms on the planet if it did not undergo mutation MNBrewer Oct 2014 #18
Do you also fear that HIV, also mutating, is going to leap at you one day from across the room? Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #43
There simply is no evidence of such. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #62
I don't "also fear" that, because I never said that I feared that ebola would do the same MNBrewer Oct 2014 #74
Post 5: 300 new mutations which have yet to be studied re transmission Divernan Oct 2014 #19
Thank you for this clear information and EVIDENCE.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2014 #24
Can't we just say "evolved", or have the right-wingers succeeded in turning that into an obscenity? Towlie Oct 2014 #27
None. Because none exists. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #65
Good move. Smart to be proactive AND smart to realize how scared many folks are. peacebird Oct 2014 #7
I hope the people cleaning this plane are protected. Paper Roses Oct 2014 #8
If it Ebola is that contagious, it's too late HockeyMom Oct 2014 #31
The only issue I have with the OP... blackspade Oct 2014 #12
Post 5: Researchers have identified more than 300 new viral mutations in the latest strain of Ebola, Divernan Oct 2014 #14
Five co-authors of the article in Science contracted Ebola and lost their battle with it mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #20
This ebola epidemic spike91nz Oct 2014 #13
Brilliant analysis! Welcome to DU Divernan Oct 2014 #15
Welcome to DU - TBF Oct 2014 #17
As a M.B.A. degree individual this analysis.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2014 #25
Agree with you 100% n/t PasadenaTrudy Oct 2014 #35
This is like telling Timmy that Lassie has died. Vinca Oct 2014 #21
You're missing the spoiler alert! Renew Deal Oct 2014 #29
Lassie is a girl marions ghost Oct 2014 #30
Nit picky here NV Whino Oct 2014 #37
Lassie was referred to by the term "she" marions ghost Oct 2014 #40
Well, I can, but won't argue that. NV Whino Oct 2014 #47
Hollywood in general marions ghost Oct 2014 #49
PR move YarnAddict Oct 2014 #26
Since normally they only give 7 minutes to clean a plane they need the PR. gvstn Oct 2014 #33
Imagine getting the phone call saying you sat in the same seat Renew Deal Oct 2014 #28
... unless she puked, spit or shat all over it, I wouldn't be too concerned. Myrina Oct 2014 #53
If the nurse was symptomatic, then she should be charged with a crime. SpankMe Oct 2014 #32
She checked first w/ CDC re a slightly elevated temp; they told her she could fly. Divernan Oct 2014 #38
Oh My God!!!!! LeftInTX Oct 2014 #48
SpankMe is correct. SoapBox Oct 2014 #42
Of course she did! She should have had the brains to have called 911, from her mother's house! SoapBox Oct 2014 #41
It does seem qutie strange when you think about it. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #64
I'm actually weirdly comforted by the fact that no one has tested positive catbyte Oct 2014 #44
This, just this. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #63
I see you edited the OP to remove the crazy statements Android3.14 Oct 2014 #46
I didn't edit the OP /link & there were no "crazy statements". Divernan Oct 2014 #71
amazing CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #51
I sense she has suspicions of having Ebola. FarPoint Oct 2014 #52
The kind of denial we see here in posts accusing people of panic. Divernan Oct 2014 #54
Overstated, Darb Oct 2014 #56
Not seeing anyone who says the CDC has it under perfect control Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #72
Enough with the "ZOMG EBOLA IS MUTATING" nonsense. Ebola mutates daily. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #57
Not true. There is disagreement about its ability to mutate to a strain that could be mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #68
Impressively detailed and scientifically current analysis of Ebola mutation/transmission Divernan Oct 2014 #69
Here are topic headings from this article. Divernan Oct 2014 #70
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