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88. As our murder rate continues its 20 year decline

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:48 PM

Dec 2014

I suspect the opposite will happen. Gun control depends on whipping up moral panic. You count on the American public being too stupid to understand what is really happening.

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No charges for seller who sold gun to W.Va. killer [View all] Judi Lynn Dec 2014 OP

no background check necessary for a person to person sale in WV Clint0n Dec 2014 #1

was not at a gun show Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #2

The term "gun show loophole" brentspeak Dec 2014 #9

No response? malokvale77 Dec 2014 #10

Why wasn't it named the "private sale" loophole? n/t beevul Dec 2014 #75

I think the complaint is about the term "gun show" Recursion Dec 2014 #82

Responsible gun owners would have paid an FFL to handle background check and transfer, Hoyt Dec 2014 #31

Sure the seller could, bur LynnTTT Dec 2014 #55

That's the problem with the law, and the problem with gun owners. They don't give a darn. Hoyt Dec 2014 #56

States can close this. OR, the federal government can open up NICS so private sellers AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #4

Gun owners can do it through an FFL right now. Not a good idea to open it to public. Hoyt Dec 2014 #32

No, there are only record keeping requirements from a dealer. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #34

An FFL has to keep records. Your average yahoo selling a gun in a parking lot, isn't Hoyt Dec 2014 #35

The average yahoo in a parking lot isn't required to do that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #36

That's why it needs to go through FFL. We're going around in circles, I think I'll get off. Hoyt Dec 2014 #48

Well, they aren't going to open up NICS, so on that, we agree. It'll have to go through an FFL. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #49

you don't like merrry-go-rounds? snooper2 Dec 2014 #51

Private sellers are not FFLs hack89 Dec 2014 #42

I fully realize that. So take your gun to FFL to record transfer. Is that too much to ask so-called Hoyt Dec 2014 #50

UBCs are the law where I live. hack89 Dec 2014 #52

I realize the guy who sold the gun can't be charged, legally. Morally, it's another question. Hoyt Dec 2014 #53

Agreed. Adrahil Dec 2014 #74

should be called gun humper loophole Skittles Dec 2014 #33

That's very helpful AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #91

LOL Skittles Dec 2014 #92

I know right AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #93

If it was sold on facebook Demsrule86 Dec 2014 #72

What federal law was broken? He sold it from one WV resident to another WV resident. nt kelly1mm Dec 2014 #78

If it was sold within state, then no federal law was broken. GGJohn Dec 2014 #80

Why would there be? FBaggins Dec 2014 #3

Reason to suspect. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #5

I'm not sure if it is the law anywhere but I have read about ways to do background checks csziggy Dec 2014 #8

Here in NC, benEzra Dec 2014 #12

I realized that there could be checks through law enforcement csziggy Dec 2014 #15

The biggest problem we tend to have benEzra Dec 2014 #44

If I know them well enough to sell them a gun... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #11

So why not require background checks on *all* transactions? nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #18

Manchin proposed that but Feinstein sucked out all the oxygen out of the debate Recursion Dec 2014 #83

Yeah for bullshit loopholes! mikeysnot Dec 2014 #6

Not a loop hole, but a explicit exemption. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #13

Then perhaps said exemption shouldn't exist. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #19

That is what the pro-gun folks keep saying. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #37

The seller didn't break any law madville Dec 2014 #25

He should be charged with selling to an ineligable buyer. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #38

Doesn't work that way hack89 Dec 2014 #47

I agree that it currently does not work that way. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #57

Without access to NICS, the seller doesn't know who is and is not eligible. Adrahil Dec 2014 #79

NICS is one way, but not the only way. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #81

Wayne says thanks for your reasoned response. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #17

Has a penis reference been made yet? NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #30

Made and defended. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #41

DEFEND THE PENIS!!! NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #46

Someone has to say it... mikeysnot Dec 2014 #43

And Wayne was hoping you would say it exactly the way you said it. nt hack89 Dec 2014 #45

oohhhwwwwhhwhw mikeysnot Dec 2014 #59

Childish and immature opponents are the best hack89 Dec 2014 #61

So republican mikeysnot Dec 2014 #62

You denying the gun control movement is weak and impotent? hack89 Dec 2014 #63

Wow, projecting again... mikeysnot Dec 2014 #64

Do you really believe there is wide popular support for strict gun control? hack89 Dec 2014 #65

And yet another logical fallacy from you... mikeysnot Dec 2014 #66

No - I made a bald assertion reflected in reality hack89 Dec 2014 #67

So how long did it take for you to create this fantasy world you live in? mikeysnot Dec 2014 #68

Shannon Watts is an ex Monsanto PR flack financed by a Republican billionaire hack89 Dec 2014 #69

Moving the goal posts you are! mikeysnot Dec 2014 #70

I guess "effective" is not a appropriate qualifier either hack89 Dec 2014 #71

Give it time. mikeysnot Dec 2014 #87

As our murder rate continues its 20 year decline hack89 Dec 2014 #88

What do you live on this site? I just posted that. mikeysnot Dec 2014 #89

Moms demand action... shedevil69taz Dec 2014 #77

So being "true " grass roots? mikeysnot Dec 2014 #85

Gun banning shannon watts? beevul Dec 2014 #76

Believe what you want... mikeysnot Dec 2014 #86

I believe her when she says... beevul Dec 2014 #90

I ask for a CHP and bill of sale for my FB gun deals. ileus Dec 2014 #7

Thanks for being a responsible gun dealer. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #20

Not a great solution. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #29

Of course. Guns are the Jesus of the Right. onehandle Dec 2014 #14

So every gun owner is impotent? hack89 Dec 2014 #16

All, or the majority? Of course not. But some do seem to be trying to compensate for something. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #21

Have you ever considered that your arm flapping angst over guns hack89 Dec 2014 #22

Mine? I have no problem with gun ownership. Though I would like to see universal background checks nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #23

I am with you on UBCs - my state has them and they work well hack89 Dec 2014 #24

and they never say Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #26

Laughing. crim son Dec 2014 #94

I don't carry in public hack89 Dec 2014 #96

careful Skittles Dec 2014 #39

Not upsetting - kind of reassuring in a way hack89 Dec 2014 #40

"Happiness is a warm gun" stone space Dec 2014 #27

"It was [from] a gun magazine. I just thought it was a fantastic, insane thing to say. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #28

everything working perfectly, just as planned…n/t librechik Dec 2014 #54

In an ideal situation hollowdweller Dec 2014 #58

As you note, there is precedent for government confiscation after registration. branford Dec 2014 #60

OK you are selling a gun to a stranger olddots Dec 2014 #73

And yet our party spends more energy banning bayonet lugs and regulating rifles' grip shape Recursion Dec 2014 #84

bayonet lugs and rifle grips can be used as grapeshot seveneyes Dec 2014 #95