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In reply to the discussion: Pope Francis Slams GMOs and Pesticides for Destroying the Earth's 'Complex Web of Ecosystems' [View all]cprise
(8,445 posts)145. That 'breeding is just like GE' line got old in the 2000s.
The carrots and corn you cite are by themselves low risk to the environment *because* traditional breeding manipulates natural processes; it doesn't cut severely across the grain of nature the way genetic engineering does. Traits that are wildly inconsistent with an organism's ecological niche are not economically attainable with breeding (hence, the 'need' for GE).
Being dismissive of the risks doesn't help your argument, and this is just nonsense:
You mean like we already did for thousands of years? Golly, the planet must be destroyed by now.
Also, dumping lots of Bt toxin on fields all over the world has far more of a "geo-engineering' effect than a plant 'getting loose'.
Also, dumping lots of Bt toxin on fields all over the world has far more of a "geo-engineering' effect than a plant 'getting loose'.
Yes, industry terms are 'bizarre' and everything is really the same as everything else. Hence, billions of dollars are spent to develop GE techniques. And the "climate is changing all the time" so stop bellyaching about greenhouse gasses.
A is normal, so A*1000 and A+X are fine.
Golden rice isn't a nasty technical shortcut.
How do you know?
That's how we made red grapefruit. Didn't require testing, and can be sold as "all-natural".
That's a strawman, because 'natural' is unregulated. It doesn't mean anything on a product label.
I'm not drawing a line at genetic research or even genetic engineering. I'm drawing a line at the mass production and environmental exposure aspect.
GE firms are not reserved in the application of their techniques; at least the frivolity of GMOs is on the rise. They are not grappling with the Precautionary Principle and insist on self-administered, minimal testing of products. They are even blind to the fact that their own products continue to rely on cross-breeding efforts to maintain their levels of productivity. This is why people like me are against GMOs in the supermarkets, but in favor of other forms of biotech like reparative application of stem cells; The former are dressing up a pattern of greed and derangement simply as "science" the same way the nuclear power and chemical industries did in the past.
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Pope Francis Slams GMOs and Pesticides for Destroying the Earth's 'Complex Web of Ecosystems' [View all]
bananas
Jun 2015
OP
And posting the word "horseshit" doesn't mean that science in the service only of profits, and
villager
Jun 2015
#27
So, *your* patronizing insults are okay, but it's just other people's insults that are the problem?
villager
Jun 2015
#96
I started by mentioning that your initial sneering -- which is how you enter any dicussion here --
villager
Jun 2015
#100
Well, that wasn't Einstein's style of critical thinking. He once pointed to a drawer in a table
Joe Chi Minh
Jun 2015
#119
Sorry. Critical thinking has to result in positive thinking or it will remain sterile.
Joe Chi Minh
Jun 2015
#126
Believe it or not, the Pope's powers are quite limited. There are many things he
Cal33
Jun 2015
#140
Are 'liberal' and 'progressive' terms that are meant to be the exclusive preserve of atheists?
Joe Chi Minh
Jul 2015
#173
They are destroying the natural diversity, they're like kudzu-takeover.
Dont call me Shirley
Jun 2015
#86
It would behoove churches to begin to preach birth control for the salvation of our species
Dont call me Shirley
Jul 2015
#169
Poison the insects and you poison or starve all of the smaller animals that eat them.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2015
#6
I chose mules because people know what they are. People who didn't take much biology don't know
jeff47
Jun 2015
#151
American Catholics are MORE likely to use artificial birth control than Americans in general.
pnwmom
Jun 2015
#37
I'm saying that I hope the Church and the scientific establishment working TOGETHER
pnwmom
Jun 2015
#62
They can and will be taken seriously on the issue of the global environment because
pnwmom
Jun 2015
#73
I have always advocated that the CC change its position on artificial contraception. n/t
pnwmom
Jun 2015
#84
The claim that 98 percent of Catholic women use contraception: a media foul
progressoid
Jul 2015
#166
Not a fan of monoculture, pesticides, etc. It's been said often by natives it's all interconnected.
freshwest
Jun 2015
#10
The Pope knows more than Bill Nye and MdT on the safety of GMOs, imho. mahalo bananas.
Cha
Jun 2015
#45
K&R I am not totally opposed to GMO, nor any potentially beneficial science.
raouldukelives
Jun 2015
#106