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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #97)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 04:01 PM

98. My point is that the hypocrisy was from the people doing all the dividing, and the outrage

being selective.

In my post I'm criticizing a far right wing extremist who was violating everything the Democrats have ever fought for, but which certain non-Democrats vociferously promoted, despite the actual base voicing their disapproval. Sowing division in the Democratic party by outsiders who keep throwing out the basic human rights of Democrats is what was happening.

When outsiders are doing the work of Republicans, attacking Democratic values and the stating outright that any right winger is open for support while seeking to take over the party, it means that it's valid criticism of what these people are doing.

This is misapplication of that term, and it's wrong applied to me and this argument, but it's valid as the OP, and the article it links to is using it. They're stating outright what they're doing and why, and they're upset about being called out for it?

This false equivalence with the position that human rights are negotiable when they're women's rights is simply fallacious. You erred there in making your invalid comparison. The people who are being criticized are open with their goals to dividing the party unless they get their way, and their support of Republicans, and they've been using Right Wing talking points to do so, it's simply not factual to deny that the OP accurately called out what they're doing.

Democrats want universal coverage, they're not adamant on single payer only and they don't have to be. That's a litmus test that's utterly ridiculous. A bunch of people who don't know the first thing about Healthcare or how it works, are glomming onto a slogan used by a non-Democrat without any clue. This has already divided the party and installed Trump in power, and they're seeking to misinform more people and using the Right's playbook to do it.

If only the people screeching "Medicare for all or I'm going to Bern it down" has the capacity, education, or understanding to follow complex discussion about how healthcare works. They've demonstrated that they are not. How about if the Single Payer folks make THEIR case, and present a workable plan instead of stunt bills that are not fleshed out at all, thought through at all, and which are presented in soundbytes to manipulate and divide people?

If no valid bill based on sound, thought through public policy is offered, and at no point has one been, this is just a stunt, and it's very much doing the Republican's work and is very much about being divisive in a way that we've already seen.

It's hypocritical to make false equivalences and to do the thing one is being accused of, and to pretend it's not accurate when the only issue seems to be the umbrage over the terms used which don't paint the instigators in a flattering light.

They are attacking Democrats, that has been their only goal and they are doing the Republican's work, and they are indeed guilty of what they're being accused of, sorry if the truth hurts.

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