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wnylib

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29. I don't have the background to challenge
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:02 PM
Feb 2021

Yale researchers, but the article does raise some questions for me.

The bacterium for Lyme disease existed in North America 60,000 years ago, 35,000 years before Native Americans arrived in North America. It can be carried by birds and small animals. The article states that info. So didn't the bacterium have a very long time to expand via deer, ticks, birds, and small mammals, before our modern era?

Native Americans of the northeastern part of North America depended heavily on deer for meat and for hides to make clothing, and to make containers from the skins. So they handled freshly killed deer often. Wouldn't they have experienced infection with Lyme disease?

Native Americans also lived in small villages in the forests, in close proximity to birds and small mammals, which they trapped. Wouldn't they have been exposed to infection?

The article says that the reduced size of forests, and the truncation of them as people cleared lands for homes reduced the habitats for deer. It also says that the wolf population decreased so that deer lacked natural predators to keep their population down. But wouldn't a decreased deer habitat also cause a reduction in the deer population? Also, wolves were intentionally killed off in some areas to protect livestock, but in other areas, they moved to be farther away from humans. Wouldn't relocated wolves have shared the available deer habitats with them?

In the end, I'm not sure that it is necessarily our modern lives that have caused Lyme disease to spread among people. The bacterium has had several thousand years to grow and evolve, and to be spread by birds and small mammals. One factor of our lives not mentioned in the article is that the tick can be carried to people by pets that encounter the tick outdoors.

Lyme disease is also often undiagnosed or misdiagnosed even today. But, even so, it is modern medicine that has enabled us to recognize it. It might have existed in people long before now, but not identified by source and cause.


It's been going on for a long time, gab13by13 Feb 2021 #1
Excellent article! burrowowl Feb 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Feb 2021 #3
Yup. Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #21
The 1930's "shelter belt" is still on my grandparents' South Dakota farm. SharonAnn Feb 2021 #32
Well worth a full read. Thanks. erronis Feb 2021 #4
yw 👍 I have learned a lot from Thom over a Decade of listening to his daily 12pmest-3pm show yaesu Feb 2021 #22
Yes, it's very noticeable and disrutbing relayerbob Feb 2021 #5
Growing up in 60s and 70s all we talked about was "Zero Population Growth", rickyhall Feb 2021 #6
our attempts to make a better life are now dismissed with "OK Boomer" DBoon Feb 2021 #8
Depressing, ain't it. rickyhall Feb 2021 #11
+1 Ferrets are Cool Feb 2021 #12
There is no doubt in my mind that wnylib Feb 2021 #7
Here's an article on why Lyme disease got so prevalent Jetheels Feb 2021 #10
I don't have the background to challenge wnylib Feb 2021 #29
Here's a book on Lyme. I read the reviews only. Native Americans also lived around wild turkeys Jetheels Feb 2021 #31
Read Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring." Bo Zarts Feb 2021 #9
But, we didn't learn the lesson. BarbD Feb 2021 #15
Love me some Thom Ferrets are Cool Feb 2021 #13
When I was a kid in Denver DENVERPOPS Feb 2021 #14
na. mother nature doesnt care if the earth is a paradise or a slag heap. it should matter to us. bullimiami Feb 2021 #18
That's what people really need to realize. BComplex Feb 2021 #20
Whose Garden Was This? keithhs28 Feb 2021 #25
We've lived our entire lives in the "fuck around" stage... movingviolation Feb 2021 #16
This yaesu Feb 2021 #23
I was in Atlanta for a week in 2009. Delmette2.0 Feb 2021 #17
As Thom would say, you are spot on! nt yaesu Feb 2021 #24
Oh, thank you. Delmette2.0 Feb 2021 #30
This is an excellent article by Thom Hartmann. Wow. BComplex Feb 2021 #19
100% right. Snackshack Feb 2021 #26
Check out Tom's Hidden History series of books... RobertDevereaux Feb 2021 #27
the planet is trying to rid itself of the human infestation. we don't do lawn care. pansypoo53219 Feb 2021 #28
It isn't the planet. It is us. Nature doesn't commit suicide to eradicate humans, we do. Martin68 Feb 2021 #34
The Midwest is used to grow vast monocultures of food crops that are treated with tons of deadly Martin68 Feb 2021 #33
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