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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
16. I don't know for sure, but here are some thoughts
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 12:43 PM
Jan 2012

First off, to elaborate on my post from yesterday (I was on a smart phone and I hate typing on it...): on the NAEP "nation's report card" math and english tests, given nationwide to random groups of 4th and 8th graders every two years, Massachusetts has scored #1 in the US on all four nationwide tests, every year the tests were given except for once when we were number 2 in one test.

In the 2007 TIMSS test, given internationally to compare student knowledge across countries, Massachusetts and Minnesota chose to be broken out as separate countries to see how they compared to the rest of the world. the result:

TIMSS Results Place Massachusetts Among World Leaders in Math and Science

"TIMSS is an international math and science assessment administered every four years to a sampling of 4th and 8th grade students in participating nations around the world. The test was administered in April and May 2007 to 3,600 students attending 95 randomly selected schools in Massachusetts.

In science, Massachusetts 4th graders received a scaled score of 571, surpassed only by Singapore, which scored 587; in math the state's fourth graders averaged 572, behind Hong Kong SAR (607) and Singapore (599) and tying for third with Chinese Taipei (576) and Japan (568).

Eighth graders scored 556 in science, tying with Singapore (567), Chinese Taipei (561), Japan (554) and the Republic of Korea (553); in math, the state's eighth graders scored 547, ranking sixth behind Chinese Taipei (598), Republic of Korea (597), Singapore (593), Hong Kong SAR (572), and Japan (570)."


And, by the way - Massachusetts state tax rates are actually in the bottom half of the US! We get great results and we don't pay a lot for it.

As to why: I don't think it's been studied, but I have a couple of guesses. The obvious is that Mass was (I think) the first state to set up standards for what topics should be taught to children and when it should be taught (the Massachusetts Curriculum Frameworks), along with associated testing to demonstrate that it's been taught (the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System or MCAS).

Second, people in Massachusetts are, by-and-large, pretty nice to each other and common sense seems to rule the day as compared to other states. For example, it was the first state to establish public education, to end slavery and recognize equal rights for black folks, to legalize trade unions, to permit gay marriage, and so fort. That's not a specific reason for our students doing so well, but I believe that the general pervasiveness of good will leads to generally good decision making.

What blows my mind is that nobody seems to think to study Massachusetts' success and export it to other states. We implement untested, unproven programs like the Obama-Duncan ones, and look to other countries - but we have a raging success story right here in the US, why on Earth do we not leverage it?
Posted about this a few weeks ago. elleng Dec 2011 #1
Massachusetts public schools produce better results than Finland MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #2
I have no doubt that Massachusetts has excellent education top to bottom. stevedeshazer Dec 2011 #5
I don't know for sure, but here are some thoughts MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #16
Great points. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #17
First, chervilant Jan 2012 #20
Second, chervilant Jan 2012 #21
I'm guessing here, but one possible factor is the high degree of education among adults in MA. Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #23
I agree that it's probably a factor MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #25
Actually, chervilant Jan 2012 #32
My guess is that "reformers" of public schools are not really about reform. CTyankee Jan 2012 #34
But here in Port Orford, OR, in a small town of 1200 and with a lot of poverty and unemployment. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2012 #26
All of that. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #27
But how? izquierdista Dec 2011 #3
Money tama Jan 2012 #12
That's exactly why he should have it izquierdista Jan 2012 #15
But...but...but cheri010353 Dec 2011 #4
interesting, thanks. my takes. maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #6
Finland's education system and its successes were the subject of a stunning, Aristus Dec 2011 #7
The 'S' word. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #18
Education in the US, like everything else, is based on an assembly line factory model. AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #8
hmm... chervilant Jan 2012 #22
Very informative. Thank you. AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #29
I like those presentations. This one should be a must watch by.... Populist_Prole Jan 2012 #35
They hire highly qualified teachers, pay them well, & let them teach. Crazy. DirkGently Jan 2012 #9
Competition vs. Cooperation LuvNewcastle Jan 2012 #10
+1 tama Jan 2012 #13
Competition is for students and workers. Corporate executives collude. AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #31
Whenever this country stops Scottybeamer70 Jan 2012 #11
I agree, he said, screaming into the wilderness. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2012 #24
General Question... NeoGreen Jan 2012 #14
There are no 'private' schools in Finland. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #19
'engage children in more creative play' marmar Jan 2012 #28
This thread should be required reading for every education "reformer". AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #30
+1 stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #33
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