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Response to rrneck (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:26 PM

6. LOL...nervously

about the Carlin.

Did you ever read Jared Diamond's book, Collapse? That one started a conversation for a lot of people. Hopefully this book will too. I've wanted to read it since I heard about it, but haven't read this one yet.

But, beyond our capacity to keep pace with our ability to change culture - we have some maladaptive ways in place now but we also have models in our past and in the here and now that correct some of that.

Of course, it could come out of our American ideology of the middle class as the bulwark of decency (which was a Victorian idea, fwiw), and a way that GB redistributed some wealth before democratic socialism was implemented in other places. Middle class families with wealth and aristocratic families with sons and large estates intermarried. The husbands got money to pay for the upkeep of their ancestral homes and the middle class families got booted up a notch on the economic food chain.

anyway, when I read about how maladaptive it is for humans to either have far, far too much or far, far too little - in terms of their mental well being - I have to think that our primate heritage of understanding fairness can help us overcome our primate heritage of hoarding b/c of fear.

and when I read about how other nations with democracies have better outcomes for their societies by tax policies that spread the wealth around...it seems like our existential fear of annihilation, from the cold war era, is sort of what has led to our current mess.

Because I know that, when humans exist in smaller communities, they make the community's survival (sharing) an important feature of remaining in the community. people would be ostracized and trying to fend for themselves means they weren't the best at passing along multiples of their genes... and, in my whacked out opinion, one reason for the French Rev. etc. is because the pattern of incest among royals (they marry cousins, but, for the purpose of maintaining property, royals in Europe have long intermarried...

ergo... the ultimate outcome of libertarianism is incest, as in some other cultures, like the Incas and Egyptians. LOL. I'm joking, but not, too.

anyway, all to say - we can't have an international conversation about this when a few are controlling the conversation and the wealth.

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