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CoffeeCat

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30. As someone from a caucus state, I am torn too
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:29 PM
Mar 2016

Caucuses are so transparent. I worry about voting machines. Nothing transparent about those.

With a caucus, you can see what is happening.

I know we've had a ton of problems this year. I've witnessed quite a bit of that, at the precinct level--and also at my County Convention.

I do believe it's a great system. However, the system is only as good as the leaders who are using the system.

This year has been a complete shit storm, not just in the caucuses, but in other states as well. So many problems, it's been ridiculous.

I will note that in 2008, we had record attendance at our Iowa caucuses when Obama won. We hardly had any problems. Things ran like butter.

But this year, we weren't even close to record attendance and it was as if a tornado of cheating, malfeasance, bad behavior, mishaps and general mayhem happened.

I blame this on Hillary Clinton. I really do. That's not hyperbole. I think she's tried to game the system is so many ways, that she has ended up creating a shitstorm everywhere she goes---for caucus goers, for entire states and for the caucus system in general.

It shouldn't be this difficult, people! Voting should not be a blasted fiasco. Caucusing shouldn't be a raging shitstorm. I think this is the Clinton camp and their willing accomplices attempting to gain the system--with many, many tactics and games.

Frankly, I'm sick of all of it. Because when you try to cheat, or game the system or gain advantages--you end up affecting--not just the vote--but the people too. The people in those states who have to carry on, and organize meetings and analyze what in the hell went wrong. It's a big mess that so many have to mop up.

Really getting sick of this nonsense. And I bet you anything, that in the next election cycle--things are not this way. They've NEVER been this bad, across the board. NEVER. I feel as if our election system--both caucuses and regular voting--has been turned into a joke.

I don't want to see our caucuses end, because of all of this. It is a good system. I do believe that improvements can be made to make the caucuses more accessible and better attended. That's another conversation.

Meanwhile, we'll all continue to mop up the messes that have been created this election cycle because the Clinton camp decided they didn't want to play fair--state after state after state.

I'm torn revbones Mar 2016 #1
My sentiments exactly! monicaangela Mar 2016 #2
Excellent point. nt revbones Mar 2016 #3
No, we have BOTH here, and there's far MORE voter suppression in the caucus system. pnwmom Mar 2016 #4
Voter suppression takes many more forms than that... monicaangela Mar 2016 #5
Yes, those are forms of suppression. But suppression is built into caucus DNA, pnwmom Mar 2016 #6
Voter fraud shennigans are just repug talking points to persuade people . . . brush Mar 2016 #13
I'm more concerned with voter suppression and election fraud. revbones Mar 2016 #14
That's a software problem and who controls the software brush Mar 2016 #15
Caucuses ARE designed to suppress the vote. It's built into their DNA. pnwmom Mar 2016 #22
Like I said, I'm torn revbones Mar 2016 #24
Didn't you see the youtube videos of the Iowa caucuses, pnwmom Mar 2016 #26
People are so quick to be snide here. revbones Mar 2016 #27
Sorry. I was wrong if you haven't been participating in it. But the immediate reaction of many pnwmom Mar 2016 #33
I'm not sure anyone is "ok" with long caucus lines revbones Mar 2016 #36
We didn't suddenly reduce caucus locations -- the system has been unfair pnwmom Mar 2016 #37
No long lines in a primary using machines? In 2008 there jwirr Mar 2016 #17
That's good. But in primaries you can choose to vote anytime during the day . . . brush Mar 2016 #19
I have voted in both and I know about the time constraints. jwirr Mar 2016 #40
We have no long lines ever in WA, except at caucuses. pnwmom Mar 2016 #23
As someone from a caucus state, I am torn too CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #30
It is completely unfair for you to blame Hillary Clinton for the problems pnwmom Mar 2016 #35
I listened to a discussion libodem Mar 2016 #7
We can do banking online. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #9
Good point. And we rely on the US mail to be secure, too. pnwmom Mar 2016 #11
Yep libodem Mar 2016 #12
A caucus is like a sewing circle. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #31
Elections with Diebold machines have "oversight" as well. nt revbones Mar 2016 #25
Funniest thing that happened at our caucus was when someone got up and screamed,... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #8
It IS bullshit! Why is it funny that that person recognized it was voter suppression? pnwmom Mar 2016 #10
Caucuses used to only be attended by a handful of people.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #29
And that's the way party leaders want it because it increases their influence. pnwmom Mar 2016 #32
Putting our trust in their wisdom is sooo "last century". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #38
It's the old smoke-filled room minus the smoke. pnwmom Mar 2016 #39
I'm not totally in love with the caucus system either but when jwirr Mar 2016 #16
The large majority of WA voters chose to have a PRIMARY, not a caucus, pnwmom Mar 2016 #18
I'm a working mom. Caususes exclude me. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #20
Right. Having children who need care isn't a valid reason for a "surrogate affidavit" pnwmom Mar 2016 #21
Yes, they are voter suppression. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #28
The caucus system is the apartheid of elections. Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #34
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