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pnwmom

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35. It is completely unfair for you to blame Hillary Clinton for the problems
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:06 AM
Mar 2016

that are BUILT INTO the caucus system. It's designed to limit voter participation and it succeeds.

It isn't Hillary's fault that a minority of states including WA have clung to an outmoded, non-inclusive, non-representative caucus system that hardly anyone participates in (it's record turnout when we get 5%).

It isn't her fault that in my state some rural Dem voters have to drive for 3 hours to vote in a caucus while Rethugs can drop their ballots in the mail -- that's the choice of the Dem leaders in this state who went to court in the 80's to overrule the voter referendum setting up primaries. So the GOP uses state funded primaries now and we're stuck with the caucuses that only 5-6% of voters participate in.

I'm really sick of Dems looking for every excuse they can to blame Hillary for anything bad that happens anywhere.

Including WA state Dems' decision 30 years ago to overturn the referendum the voters passed to use primaries for assigning delegates.

What a crock.

I'm torn revbones Mar 2016 #1
My sentiments exactly! monicaangela Mar 2016 #2
Excellent point. nt revbones Mar 2016 #3
No, we have BOTH here, and there's far MORE voter suppression in the caucus system. pnwmom Mar 2016 #4
Voter suppression takes many more forms than that... monicaangela Mar 2016 #5
Yes, those are forms of suppression. But suppression is built into caucus DNA, pnwmom Mar 2016 #6
Voter fraud shennigans are just repug talking points to persuade people . . . brush Mar 2016 #13
I'm more concerned with voter suppression and election fraud. revbones Mar 2016 #14
That's a software problem and who controls the software brush Mar 2016 #15
Caucuses ARE designed to suppress the vote. It's built into their DNA. pnwmom Mar 2016 #22
Like I said, I'm torn revbones Mar 2016 #24
Didn't you see the youtube videos of the Iowa caucuses, pnwmom Mar 2016 #26
People are so quick to be snide here. revbones Mar 2016 #27
Sorry. I was wrong if you haven't been participating in it. But the immediate reaction of many pnwmom Mar 2016 #33
I'm not sure anyone is "ok" with long caucus lines revbones Mar 2016 #36
We didn't suddenly reduce caucus locations -- the system has been unfair pnwmom Mar 2016 #37
No long lines in a primary using machines? In 2008 there jwirr Mar 2016 #17
That's good. But in primaries you can choose to vote anytime during the day . . . brush Mar 2016 #19
I have voted in both and I know about the time constraints. jwirr Mar 2016 #40
We have no long lines ever in WA, except at caucuses. pnwmom Mar 2016 #23
As someone from a caucus state, I am torn too CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #30
It is completely unfair for you to blame Hillary Clinton for the problems pnwmom Mar 2016 #35
I listened to a discussion libodem Mar 2016 #7
We can do banking online. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #9
Good point. And we rely on the US mail to be secure, too. pnwmom Mar 2016 #11
Yep libodem Mar 2016 #12
A caucus is like a sewing circle. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #31
Elections with Diebold machines have "oversight" as well. nt revbones Mar 2016 #25
Funniest thing that happened at our caucus was when someone got up and screamed,... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #8
It IS bullshit! Why is it funny that that person recognized it was voter suppression? pnwmom Mar 2016 #10
Caucuses used to only be attended by a handful of people.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #29
And that's the way party leaders want it because it increases their influence. pnwmom Mar 2016 #32
Putting our trust in their wisdom is sooo "last century". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #38
It's the old smoke-filled room minus the smoke. pnwmom Mar 2016 #39
I'm not totally in love with the caucus system either but when jwirr Mar 2016 #16
The large majority of WA voters chose to have a PRIMARY, not a caucus, pnwmom Mar 2016 #18
I'm a working mom. Caususes exclude me. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #20
Right. Having children who need care isn't a valid reason for a "surrogate affidavit" pnwmom Mar 2016 #21
Yes, they are voter suppression. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #28
The caucus system is the apartheid of elections. Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #34
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