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whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
15. And yet the outrage is just about the attribution, NOT the context.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 12:00 PM
Oct 2016

Many people, especially here, have criticized historical British imperial and colonial attitudes too, but is this statement then false or not worth consideration in historical context? I see the same sentiments on DU, less well expressed.

'Mr. Eden declared: "We English have had experience in ruling," then the only thing one can say is: "In ruling? In exploitation! In plundering!" What does experience in ruling mean, when in a country which, with 46,000,000 persons itself, is administering 40,000,000 square kilometers over the entire world...

...Where is this art of ruling, to say nothing of the art of leadership? It is only the unscrupulousness for robbery. And when this same man then says: "We have a fine instinct for idealism and material values." Yes indeed they have. They have destroyed idealism everywhere, and they have grabbed and taken possession of material worth and always grabbed and taken possession of it, too, by brutal force only. For in 300 years that nation has oppressed and yoked and subjected nation after nation, people after people, race after race.

If they were really such brilliant rulers, then they should now be able to leave after the Indian people have expressed their explicit desire that they do, and then to wait and see whether the Indians call them back again.'

The Indians have not done so so it was certainly insightful at the time, and since this is the prevailing DU opinion of colonialism, few would say it's not worth consideration.

I honestly don't know what quote she was referring to - newspaper accounts AND DU threads are gallingly and intentionally oblique. If it's the frequent simple lie propaganda bit you cite then it's a profound enough truth. Profundity does not necessitate originality of topic. Does it apply to PP? Well not from our POV no not at all. But from the viewpoint of one who is convinced killing an embryo kills a human soul, then (again to them, assuredly not me, to whom abortion is simply a routine elective procedure and the human soul a silly imaginary construct) all attempts to excuse such an action must by definition be oft-repeated lies and propaganda.

These godwin's style attacks against the gop are so unfair. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #1
Except when they are self-inflicted, you jerk. longship Oct 2016 #9
Rude and dishonest. bad combo. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #73
Arguing for Hitler just isn't going to go well here. longship Oct 2016 #74
Huh? She said it. What is unfair? AllyCat Oct 2016 #20
Is my sarcasm detector broken? nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #23
You know, that's appalling. malthaussen Oct 2016 #2
Good gawd. Safe or not safe, this crock of crap shitstain for a woman needs to go. lonestarnot Oct 2016 #3
let's be clear now: she was equating Planned Parenthood to Hitler's propaganda wordpix Oct 2016 #75
Don't see the problem for rational people whatthehey Oct 2016 #4
Well, yeah that's true. I just doubt she was illuminating a Hitler quote to make a nuanced point to BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2016 #8
Other people throughout history have exposed this truth about propaganda arithia Oct 2016 #11
And yet the outrage is just about the attribution, NOT the context. whatthehey Oct 2016 #15
did you read the article? arithia Oct 2016 #26
Of course abortion is a point of view issue or there would be no disputes over it! whatthehey Oct 2016 #31
The *ethics* of abotion is PoV. arithia Oct 2016 #33
The problem for 'rational' people fleabiscuit Oct 2016 #14
Well there's knowledge of the genetic fallacy for a start. whatthehey Oct 2016 #16
He was not jusy a negative political character awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #24
The problem with referencing Hitler trc Oct 2016 #27
But that's exactly the problem whatthehey Oct 2016 #32
There are things in life that are of great value crim son Oct 2016 #56
This is not about an evil person saying something profound Vilis Veritas Oct 2016 #47
The problem is, that is not a novel thought and one does not need to quote Maraya1969 Oct 2016 #49
Exactly. The Genetic Fallacy -- condemn an argument because of its source -- seems strong here. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2016 #58
I hear what you're saying, that truth is truth no matter whose mouth PatrickforO Oct 2016 #64
I don't care what anyone thinks is quotable from a mass murdering madman wordpix Oct 2016 #72
Oh, she clarified it. She was just describing Planned Parenthood. appleannie1 Oct 2016 #5
What did you call me? Lochloosa Oct 2016 #7
My response to that: Initech Oct 2016 #6
Good heavens, she looks like somebody's mother and grandmother. Oldem Oct 2016 #10
Well, maybe Hitler said, "Die Drumpfs sind alle dumme Idioten." tclambert Oct 2016 #12
Das ist wahr. Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2016 #63
The most profound thing Hitler ever said, one I'm certain we can all agree upon, was . . . Journeyman Oct 2016 #13
I am wondering if Ms. Peggy Mast would cite medical research results from Josef Mengele? yellowcanine Oct 2016 #17
OMG! I shuddered when I read your post. classof56 Oct 2016 #28
I am wondering if Ms. Peggy Mast would cite medical research results from Josef Mengele? AlbertCat Oct 2016 #43
no doubt you're right - low vocab., low info voter, sigh wordpix Oct 2016 #76
Using "discernment" while praising a Hitler quote is laughable on it face. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2016 #18
SERIOUSLY? Oh my God. nt rivegauche Oct 2016 #19
Does she make a habit of listening to old Hitler speeches LuvNewcastle Oct 2016 #22
A few comments from a Kansan... RoBear Oct 2016 #25
Same week Kansas Solicitor General cited Dred Scott decision with approval Sanity Claws Oct 2016 #29
The quote calls the masses stupid and she agrees.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #30
Irony has never been a Republican strong suit.. paleotn Oct 2016 #44
How is this even shocking anymore? Not Sure Oct 2016 #34
Oh, she was only comparing Planned Parenthood to the Nazis. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #35
She believes they are both evil jberryhill Oct 2016 #51
I get it. But to my mind, comparing PP to The Nazis is pretty fuckin' bad, too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #53
Bad, yes. Novel, no. jberryhill Oct 2016 #54
maybe she's Hitler reincarnate mdbl Oct 2016 #36
K&R! red dog 1 Oct 2016 #37
Deep thoughts from Hitler Enrique Oct 2016 #38
Pah that's nothing The King of Prussia Oct 2016 #39
Oh for crying out loud! robbob Oct 2016 #40
this ^^^^^^^^^^ Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #69
Thanks Grey! robbob Oct 2016 #70
it's that so many on OUR side also seem to have lost critical thinking skills Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #71
Well, I would never use the words " Great Quote From Hitler" to back up or montana_hazeleyes Oct 2016 #41
You just did jberryhill Oct 2016 #55
jberryhill,I just knew someone would come at me with that. montana_hazeleyes Oct 2016 #60
lol jberryhill Oct 2016 #61
Yeah...well, y'know.... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #42
I'm...well....speechless.... paleotn Oct 2016 #45
Wow! Little Star Oct 2016 #46
Great quote from 47of74 in this post: 47of74 Oct 2016 #48
Innocent slip of the tongue. Binkie The Clown Oct 2016 #50
Here is the quote, how is this any different from, ... CRH Oct 2016 #52
Wow ailsagirl Oct 2016 #59
I got nothin'... WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2016 #62
She obviously wasnt saying Hitler was profound or good reign88 Oct 2016 #65
It's not just kansas wallyworld2 Oct 2016 #66
It looks like she was forced to delete the post... C Moon Oct 2016 #67
"Please Proceed Mendocino Oct 2016 #68
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