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TrollBuster9090

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19. Thank you! There's an equally clear solution. Remove the payroll tax cap.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:09 PM
Dec 2012

At present, everybody pays 6% (including those 47% 'freeloaders' that Mitt was telling the billionaire's club about) UP TO an income of $106 000, above which the amount you pay is CAPPED at what you'd pay at $106K

So...some poor schmuck who earns $12 000 a year working minimum pays 6% of their income in payroll tax
Some lucky schmuck who earns $100 000 a year pays 6% of their income in payroll tax
and
Some EXTREMELY lucky schmuck who earns $100 000 000 a year pays the cap of $6000 payroll tax, which translates to

(6000/100 000 000 X 100%= 0.006%), less than one tenth of one percent of his/her income in payroll tax.

1. Where I come from, we call a tax rate that SHRINKS as a proportion of income the more you make a "REGRESSIVE tax."

2. The rational for doing this was that somebody who makes $100 000 000 could probably afford a much better retirement pension than the piffling $1000 or so a month that S.S. pays...but I'd say that that's not the point. The point of SS is to provide the minimum amount needed to live on retirement. The fact that you earn $100 000 000 today does not mean you won't go broke tomorrow, and if you do, you'll still have the $1000 per month, even if you now have ZERO income and assets.

Remove the Payroll Tax Cap, and we'll never again have to have this ridiculous conversation about 'solvency' of the Trust Fund.

What a jerk. zeemike Dec 2012 #1
The lesser people... you know former_con Dec 2012 #2
Simpson is a master of rhetoric appealing to the young and the poor, while simultaneously screwing TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #9
Overconfident, bragging thieves have earned... BlueNoteSpecial Dec 2012 #40
Frankly, I lost track of how many lies he told there. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #13
Did I hear wrong??? Plucketeer Dec 2012 #32
Excellent analogy... you heard it right... former_con Dec 2012 #35
May I post your analogy elsewhere? n/t bitchkitty Dec 2012 #43
Sure thing! Plucketeer Dec 2012 #44
So customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #3
Presumably the same way ANY of our debt obligations will be redeemed. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #8
I like many things about Simpson, but he has this thing about Social Security, Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #4
Thanks for expressing this so clearly. h2ebits Dec 2012 #5
Thank you! There's an equally clear solution. Remove the payroll tax cap. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #19
Alan Simpson's version of the 47%. Lesser people. hay rick Dec 2012 #6
In fact, we know what the attitude of the elites is. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #20
Rick's Burgers, in Spokane, hasa Whammy, a Double Whammy, and a Triple Whammy. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #7
Hah! Good point. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #11
The largest holder of U.S. debt is its citizens Samantha Dec 2012 #10
All very true! It's even MORE clever than Norquist's 'starve the beast' strategy. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #30
Those "IOUs" are US Treasuries, the epitome of security. Zen Democrat Dec 2012 #12
Exactly. UNLESS somebody is trying to float the idea that money owed by STATE governments to TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #15
Then why did RWers mock Gore for the SS Lock-box idea in 2000? nt ErikJ Dec 2012 #14
Better yet...why did they elect THE SHRUB when Gore was promising to use Clinton's budget surplus TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #17
Sometimes so-called conspiracy theories are just the truth. savannah43 Dec 2012 #16
Well, I'm a bigger fan of Occam's Razor. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #18
"Why assume conspiracy when incompetence will do?" FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #38
If they decide not to honor the Treasuries that SS holds Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #21
Iceland style! I like it! TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #26
The Social Security trust fund wouldn't be full of IOUs WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #22
Simpson is about as bright as Jessica. AAO Dec 2012 #23
We are at a point, where the choice is Social Security or defense, and he refuses to cut defense. happyslug Dec 2012 #24
The big Republican Lie, told by a Republican liar and sadly, repeated even here sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #25
The "IOU's" in the Social Security Trust Fund... jjewell Dec 2012 #27
Yes, that would certainly be true if the SS Trust fund asked for the money when the Bonds mature, TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #28
What a clear view hodger Dec 2012 #29
Thank you! TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #31
Fantastic post Left Turn Only Dec 2012 #34
Hows that song go? Plucketeer Dec 2012 #33
It's all in t-bills. Republicans default on one single t-bill Warpy Dec 2012 #36
The SS Trust Fund could provide a written statement (like a bank statement) of borrowers and DhhD Dec 2012 #37
Bonds to China joetubes Dec 2012 #39
IOUs? paleotn Dec 2012 #41
What a creep. Quantess Dec 2012 #42
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