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socialist_n_TN

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54. Before I answer this, remember.......
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:48 PM
Aug 2012

this is all just our opinions on these matters. We all believe in "economic democracy" (another term for socialism), but as to how the nuts and bolts of decision making will come about, that's going to have to be determined over a period of time. And it will probably be different for different industries and companies of different sizes. IOW, don't expect to have a fully formed socialist system described in an internet post. That said, here's MY opinion:

At the bottom level, very little would change for the "owner-operator" type businesses. They would probably get more tax breaks if wealth were distributed more equally in a socialist system and I'm sure that health care for all would open up the floodgates for these types of enterprises. The owner would make the decisions.

Medium level businesses would also benefit from a more equal distribution of wealth. I personally would give big time tax breaks for medium level businesses that were run as co-ops. If you wanted to be the "owner" of a medium level business, you could still do it, but you would forgo these tax breaks for co-ops. As I said above, there would be strong regulations for the treatment of your workers. The co-ops would probably elect a board that would run the day to day operations, along with, maybe elected "bosses" or supervisory personnel for individual departments. Not that much different from today, but I would make immediate recall of these officers a Constitutional provision. You couldn't amass power without the consent of the workers. If you abused your power, you'd be out on your ass.

The big businesses (interstate) would be run by the workers through an elected representative system like in medium level businesses complete with the immediate recallablilty provision, BUT there would also have to be SOME sort of central authority representation too. After all, if the business is big enough to affect the entire country, then ALL of the people would have to have some sort of say. The ALL of the people would be represented by these reps in addition to the actual worker's reps. The reason for this would be because there would have to be some sort of strategic central "plan" in order to get the basics for life out to ALL of the people. The workers would actually run the company, but the people's representatives would need to help set the strategic goals for production and distribution of the materials produced by these workers.

Finally, IMO, the most important part of this whole system would be the immediate recallability provision. IF you don't represent the workers who elected you, no matter what the level, you're out.

I didn't know there was a Socialist Progressives group on DU. Betsy Ross Jul 2012 #1
This group is pretty lively. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #2
It is. We have several subscribers too! Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #3
We have over a 100 subscribers I think. We are probably one of the most popular groups here. white_wolf Jul 2012 #5
Oooh, I have the Gungeon trashed, so I can't check, but I'll bet you might be right! Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #6
I just checked on our subscriber numbers........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #9
Hey, good to see you! Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #10
Yes, it seems to be. :^) GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #4
Thank you! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #7
you are welcome..! limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #8
Very interesting zzaapp Jul 2012 #11
"Why Socialism?" Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #12
very heavy stuff, thanks can I ask a couple more questions please? zzaapp Jul 2012 #13
The social goals would be determined by working people Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #14
Thanks Starry, zzaapp Jul 2012 #16
"So our elected officials would set the social agenda, right?" Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #18
In the Halliburton scenario, would everyone be paid the same wage zzaapp Jul 2012 #20
Not necessarily, no. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #22
I must be laboring under a misconception, zzaapp Jul 2012 #23
Yes, that is incorrect. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #25
Thanks zzaapp Jul 2012 #26
Under Socialism, you get to keep your stuff. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #27
LOL...I wouldn't say corporation... more of a small business man. zzaapp Jul 2012 #28
Marx was talking about property for heavy industries. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #30
Most Marxist or communist organizations......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #36
Thanks SNT zzaapp Aug 2012 #37
This actually touches on a larger debate in socialist circles that I won't get too much into white_wolf Aug 2012 #38
WW, thank you for your informative post, zzaapp Aug 2012 #39
Everyone's favorite example. PETRUS Aug 2012 #40
Thanks so much Petrus, going there now. zzaapp Aug 2012 #41
Well you probably wouldn't have a company organized like a capitalist corporation. white_wolf Aug 2012 #42
I know that this all is very speculative... zzaapp Aug 2012 #43
Sure it is. Democracy itself is cumbersome at times. Dictatorships are much more efficent. white_wolf Aug 2012 #44
I've read some Noam Chomsky.... zzaapp Aug 2012 #45
I'm one of the ones that think things should be a bit more centralized. Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #46
I second the call for common sense. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #48
+1000 Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #49
To Limpy, Starry, Petrus, SNT and white wolf zzaapp Aug 2012 #50
Regarding individualism... white_wolf Aug 2012 #51
I've run into that here. zzaapp Aug 2012 #52
This is an excellent point ww. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #53
Two Quotes Come to Mind Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2012 #56
hmm. that's interesting limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #57
From the Individualist to the Communist variants of anarchism ... Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2012 #58
Some point-people can be designated and authorized to make decisions, limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #47
Before I answer this, remember....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #54
Damn, I forgot to answer your basic question........ socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #55
Equal satisfaction of needs tama Nov 2012 #59
Mr. or Ms. zzaapp is no longer with us it seems. Been PPR'd. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #60
One more question, this is very interesting, thanks for putting up with me. zzaapp Jul 2012 #17
Can't work because of disability? Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #19
I'm not sure, I think that there are many people who are content to let zzaapp Jul 2012 #21
Science usually says otherwise. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #24
Starry, I hope you can take a compliment. zzaapp Jul 2012 #29
Thank you zzaapp. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #31
Learn something new everyday, zzaapp Jul 2012 #15
Sarcasm? limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #32
I've never had the pleasure of hearing Mr. West speak. zzaapp Jul 2012 #33
That's star power I guess. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #34
LH.....you're right on. zzaapp Aug 2012 #35
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