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F4lconF16

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13. I think this is where the discussion hinges on whether you are a revolutionary or revisionary
Sun May 10, 2015, 04:53 PM
May 2015

socialist. I, personally, am a revolutionary. I don't find the argument that it is possible to reform such an incredibly broken system within the time frame that things like equality and climate change require to be convincing. I also believe, in accordance with some theories that I have read, that a revolution is required for the working class to understand what is at stake, and what true democracy and socialism will take.

One other note: I refer to it as a broken system, but that's more out of habit. This often implies that it can be fixed, and I think that's completely untrue. Our system, so far as I can tell from what history I have read and understand, is not only not working for labor, but designed to oppress and minimize labor while maximizing profit and property rights.

The Democratic Party pushes for social and economic justice. We expand individual rights and freedoms. That can't be argued. We attempt as best we can to at least impede the natural inclination of capitalism to pursue profit at any cost, through regulation and legislation. We attempt to use progressive policies to reduce income inequality and transfer excessive wealth to programs for the impoverished and have-nots. We try to make the capitalist system a little less exploitative.

You say that can't be argued, but I would disagree with that. I also very strongly differ from your perspective on this:

We are in the midst of revolutionary globalization. Capital injections are creating prosperous working people and middle-classes around the world, transforming lives. We are engaged in intricate, complex economic and financial relationships with nation after nation. We have partners, not adversaries.

However, that is a discussion for another time, and one that I may eventually get around to making a post on in this forum.

Thanks for your input.
you answered your own question here : Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #1
I'm a bit confused by your response. F4lconF16 May 2015 #2
I would think it's fine to support Kshama Sawant and similar candidates Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #3
Ah. F4lconF16 May 2015 #5
Thanks Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #7
It's crappy the way they are going after Sawant vive la commune May 2015 #18
You are correct. F4lconF16 May 2015 #29
I have been overwhelmed by the support for Bernie here ~ TBF May 2015 #4
Thanks for the response. F4lconF16 May 2015 #10
IMO calling for "agitators on the streets" or a full blown country wide work stoppage is different Vincardog May 2015 #14
Yes, agreed. F4lconF16 May 2015 #15
The amount of violence in a socialist revolution is in direct proportion...... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #20
Same here. F4lconF16 May 2015 #25
I was hoping you'd chime in ~ TBF May 2015 #30
Just keep it in theoretical terms T......... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #32
I support Bernie Sanders myself, vive la commune May 2015 #22
My personal view is that the limiting factor of capitalism is going to be climate change. F4lconF16 May 2015 #26
As far as I can tell, as long as we don't advocate violence Starry Messenger May 2015 #6
That's good... F4lconF16 May 2015 #11
I totally agree about the tea party vive la commune May 2015 #23
The Democratic Party is a tool. Bernie knows! yallerdawg May 2015 #8
I think this is where the discussion hinges on whether you are a revolutionary or revisionary F4lconF16 May 2015 #13
The section of the proletariat in the US that is doing well is getting smaller and smaller... vive la commune May 2015 #24
I speak my mind, truthfully. Maedhros May 2015 #9
Fair enough. F4lconF16 May 2015 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #16
Some very good points... F4lconF16 May 2015 #17
Great discussion dreamnightwind May 2015 #19
I belong to a group called Workers Power, a part of the League........ socialist_n_TN May 2015 #21
There are some of us here who are well left of center. guillaumeb May 2015 #27
Only every day ;) F4lconF16 May 2015 #28
You are fortunate to be in Seattle TBF May 2015 #31
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