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RainDog

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14. ep 7 guesses/maybe spoilers
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 02:51 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:49 PM - Edit history (3)

Maybe others have mentioned it, but I haven't seen it yet. However, the architecture of the Tuttle school - in that big skylight box... those are like antlers turned toward each other, rather than away. Just remarking.

Okay, so, next episode - Hart and Coehle meet up in the present day to talk about the case. Rust presents Hart with evidence from his year of investigating the case.

I sure hope to hell this isn't the way the show plays out - but if Marty is part of the cover up of the Yellow King cult's murders...maybe he'll be crowned as the King in the last ep... he and Coehle would be seen as the embodiments of evil and good - and the outcome would be Coehle actually figuring out the case but having the blame placed on him - he would be the scapegoat, like the killers before him with the other murders, only he didn't actually kill for that reason - but he has killed.

The ultimate "good cop/bad cop."

Rust never quite explains his daughter's death - but I assume he ran over her when he was coming home from work, and so he already sees himself as a killer of a young girl - a very particular one close to his heart. His guilt is the force that drives him on this case - his is the flip side to Marty's reactions toward women and his own daughter. I think Rust's wife couldn't get over the accidental death - I'm not assuming he was drunk or something - but of course he could have been.

But his situation with his daughter makes me wonder if Audrey, Hart's daughter, will also be a victim.

If you compare the two sex scenes and Maggie in relation to the two men - Coehle doesn't just go along with the "bros before hos" locker room mentality with his partner - the first time he knows Hart stepped out, or the second time. C. is hurt that Maggie used him - for him, that moment was about a long-controlled desire - that he thought she shared - and she did, but only to a point, and the point was that she could use C. to make it impossible for Hart to want to remain in his marriage.

It's in the context of this division between C. and H. that C. tells Hart he doesn't exist without Rust. Of course he's talking about their relationship as partners, but he's also talking about that idea that "good and evil" exist in contrast to one another in our moral universe, but not in the abstracted nihilism Rust finds comfort in.

Maggie talks about Hart's problem - never knowing what he wanted. maybe he wanted to be that evil power.
eta the quote: “Marty didn’t know who he was so he never knew what he wanted.”
Maybe he didn't know he was the (a) yellow king.

Coehle doesn't think the rituals, etc. are "real." When he calls the Dora crime scene "meta psychotic" - this would mean someone acting as if they are psychotic, and creating a scenario (the death scene) that portrays the same. If the staging of the discovery of bodies does serve the purpose to maintain power over the place and its people - such staging would make sense.

But there may be some internal logic for the group that does this. Dora was found with her hands bound like she was praying in front of that tree, and the 2012 victim was in a crucified pose hanging off a bridge. I would just assume these positions are ways for the power cult to scare with poses that mimic religious postures that are familiar to the local populace.

And the story, ultimately, would be that the culture of white male religious supremacy is the great evil.

refining my guesses RainDog Feb 2014 #1
Coehle's storage shed RainDog Feb 2014 #2
I just caught up yesterday so will respond to specific episodes below Goblinmonger Feb 2014 #21
Bottle or on tap? RainDog Feb 2014 #22
I'm a sucker for a good tap lager Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Mar 2014 #27
Excellent tv Sienna86 Feb 2014 #3
Must see TV... mimi85 Feb 2014 #5
episode six guessing game RainDog Feb 2014 #4
Excellent analysis mimi85 Feb 2014 #6
I don't know either RainDog Feb 2014 #7
This show is soooo much deeper than I expected! I'm loving it! Silver Gaia Feb 2014 #8
Those are great RainDog Feb 2014 #9
Links to online speculation RainDog Feb 2014 #10
I binged the first five episodes of this mesmerizing series last night. LonePirate Feb 2014 #11
Dark Was the Night RainDog Feb 2014 #12
Maggie! (6 spoilers) RainDog Feb 2014 #13
ep 7 guesses/maybe spoilers RainDog Feb 2014 #14
Great analysis! liberalmuse Feb 2014 #15
thanks for the kind words RainDog Feb 2014 #16
I think your analysis... liberalmuse Feb 2014 #17
I LOVE what you have to say RainDog Feb 2014 #18
Just have to say mimi85 Feb 2014 #19
that's so sweet of you RainDog Feb 2014 #20
Links to online discussion RainDog Feb 2014 #23
The King in Yellow is available for free RainDog Feb 2014 #24
Beth is such a bad girl she broke the fourth wall RainDog Feb 2014 #25
Can't wait! mimi85 Mar 2014 #28
sigh RainDog Mar 2014 #29
I'm out of guesses RainDog Mar 2014 #30
Honestly.. I'm going to have to find a way to rewatch the series after it ends... hlthe2b Mar 2014 #31
LOL RainDog Mar 2014 #32
Have you read this? hlthe2b Mar 2014 #33
I have now... RainDog Mar 2014 #34
ReLenting RainDog Mar 2014 #35
I can't quit you, TD babe RainDog Mar 2014 #38
Paraphilic Love Map of True Detective online RainDog Mar 2014 #36
Geeshie Wiley - Last Kind Words RainDog Mar 2014 #37
I can barely wait to see the finale tonight (Sunday night)! Tx4obama Mar 2014 #39
I See a Darkness RainDog Mar 2014 #40
The mystery was a counterpoint RainDog Mar 2014 #41
hmmmm RainDog Mar 2014 #42
I don't know... I sort of agree with the DB writer (who wrote the earlier article I posted upstream) hlthe2b Mar 2014 #43
I agree with Alyssa Rosenberg RainDog Mar 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Mar 2014 #45
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