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yuiyoshida

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Mon Oct 8, 2018, 10:33 PM Oct 2018

VOTE NO ON PROP 10, OR I COULD BE HOMELESS.... not kidding [View all]

Last edited Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:36 AM - Edit history (16)

I live in a rent controlled Apartment in San Francisco. If PROP 10 passes, my Land lady can make me leave by raising the rent so high that I would have to move out, and I would have no where to go. No where...

http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/propositions/10/

WHAT YOUR VOTE MEANS
Repeals state law that currently restricts the scope of rent control policies that cities and other local jurisdictions may impose on residential property. Fiscal Impact: Potential net reduction in state and local revenues of tens of millions of dollars per year in the long term. Depending on actions by local communities, revenue losses could be less or considerably more.

A YES vote on this measure means: State law would not limit the kinds of rent control laws cities and counties could have.

A NO vote on this measure means: State law would continue to limit the kinds of rent control laws cities and counties could have.


https://prop10flaws.com/

Prop 10 Is Bad For Renters
“Tens of thousands of renters, including seniors and others on fixed incomes, could be forced out of their apartments and communities under Prop 10, which allows wealthy corporate landlords to turn apartments into condos and short-term vacation rentals. It will increase the cost of renting and make it even harder to find affordable housing.”

~ Alice Huffman, President, California State Conference NAACP



THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE SAYS VOTE NO ON 10!!
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Chronicle-Recommends-No-on-Prop-10-13231228.php

SAN DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE
Proposition 10: Vote no on rent control, a 'solution' that worsens housing crisis
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/editorials/sd-prop-10-rent-control-20180913-story.html

The severity of California’s housing crisis is difficult to exaggerate. Stories about people with decent jobs having no choice but to live in vehicles are increasingly common. So are stories about people who have to commute several hours from cheaper inland communities to costly urban areas, and about single professionals who basically have no other option but to pack into large homes like sardines, just as some college students do. With average rents for two-bedroom apartments in excess of $2,000 and median home prices topping $600,000, it’s no surprise to see a strong push for Proposition 10, an initiative that would throw out a state law that bans rent control on all housing built after Feb. 1, 1995, and that gives landlords the right to raise the rent to a market rate after a tenant moves out. The measure would allow cities and counties to impose permanent price controls on rental units.

The problem for advocates is that rent control has a long history that shows not only that it doesn’t work, but also that it makes housing problems worse. That’s why Nobel Prize-winning economist and longtime The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman wrote back in 2000 that “rent control is among the best-understood issues in all of economics, and — among economists, anyway — one of the least controversial.” He cited a 1992 survey of the American Economic Association that found that 93 percent of members agreed that “a ceiling on rents reduces the quality and quantity of housing.”


Nothing has changed since then. A study of rent control in San Francisco three Stanford academics published in January found that while those in rent-controlled units benefited dramatically, rent control led to a scarcity of available rentals, much higher rental costs for newcomers to the city, and a sharp decline in rent-controlled units as owners converted property to types of housing not subject to rent limits. The study also found rent control may have accelerated the gentrification of once-poor neighborhoods. The study is based on a massive database of real-estate transactions after 1994, when San Francisco expanded rent control in ways not affected by the 1995 state law limiting local rent control.

As Krugman notes, this is utterly predictable when government gets in the way of the law of supply and demand. But the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the well-funded Los Angeles advocacy group driving Proposition 10, has taken an unusual position. On its website and in meetings with journalists, representatives of the group and its allies simply declare that the economic conventional wisdom is wrong. They flatly assert that “rent control encourages new construction and maintenance.” Picking and choosing from statistics from across the nation, they suggest that rent control correlates with construction of new apartments. But that would mean the developers, business leaders and economists who say basic incentives and disincentives matter deeply in housing construction are all wrong.

There is one valid point that Proposition 10 supporters make: It could take decades to see a payoff from efforts to bring down housing costs by sharply increasing new construction. That’s why it’s urgent that the California Legislature pass more bills making it easier and cheaper to build housing and that local authorities become far more insistent about developers meeting requirements to include affordable units in larger projects. It’s also why it’s time to consider a steep increase of state and federal rental tax credits for renters in expensive areas.

Enacting such an agenda is more difficult that embracing rent control. But adding considerable new housing is ultimately the most constructive, enduring way California can address its housing crisis. It’s the only way. Vote no on Proposition 10.

THE FRESNO BEE
VOTE NO ON PROP 10!
When it comes to rental costs, Proposition 10 is not the answer. It deserves a no vote

Read more here: https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article219315885.html#storylink=cpy

VENTURA COUNTY STAR
VOTE NO ON PROP 10
https://www.vcstar.com/story/opinion/editorials/2018/10/06/editorial-vote-no-prop-10-and-rent-control/1540076002/

VOTE NO ON PROP 1O
https://www.votenoprop10.com/

LOS ANGELES TIMES
Column: California's housing situation is a mess. Proposition 10 isn't going to help

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-proposition-10-20181008-story.html

SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/08/25/editorial-prop-10-would-exacerbate-californias-housing-crisis/

Vote No on Proposition 10: It makes a bad problem worse

https://advocacy.calchamber.com/elections/ballot-measures/no-on-proposition-10/

PROP 10 FACTS: https://prop10flaws.com/facts/

vote NO ON Prop 10!
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/opinion/8809909-181/pd-editorial-no-on-prop

Our View: No on Prop. 10 — More rent control really means less housing

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2018/09/27/our-view-no-on-prop-10.html
vote



ON prop 10!!
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I'll vote No. Iliyah Oct 2018 #1
The NO votes here are stupid. Prop 10 allows expansion of rent control CreekDog Oct 2018 #110
most props are bad in general so NO JuJuYoshida Oct 2018 #2
yuiyoshida, Polly Hennessey Oct 2018 #3
I'm voting yes because I think rent control should be an option. David__77 Oct 2018 #4
THANKS A FUCKING LOT... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #7
no shit baby JuJuYoshida Oct 2018 #17
Please explain to these people.. yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #20
You have it backwards yuiyoshida FBaggins Oct 2018 #101
Prop 10 does not do this DBoon Oct 2018 #5
NO IT DOESN'T yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #8
You are wrong DBoon Oct 2018 #9
I WILL NOT live AS A HOMELESS PERSON yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #11
What you are posting has nothing to do with what Prop 10 says DBoon Oct 2018 #12
IF if passes I will be dead... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #13
Please read the law. It allows stricter rent control by municipalities. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #14
omg... I WILL NOT LIVE LIKE THIS!!! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #16
Actually the law that they want to repeal is the reason your landlady can raise the rent in the firs Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #21
NO on prop 10! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #26
There are crappy properties that are rent controlled and some that are not Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #63
yuiyoshida, I reread the text on proposition 10. For those currently renting and under rent control still_one Oct 2018 #136
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #137
how do they determine the cost of rent for existing renters, it isn't clear to me. Thanks still_one Oct 2018 #50
Buildings built after 1980 cannot be rent controlled.. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #54
yup. I have reread the proposition. It expands rent control state wide, and people who currently still_one Oct 2018 #139
You are getting hysterical. Posting a bunch of pictures and saying you'd sooner kill yourself stopbush Oct 2018 #71
I WOULD SOONER KILL MYSELF THAN LIVE ON THE STREET yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #74
Except no one is saying you need to live on the street. Simple. stopbush Oct 2018 #76
Really?? and where the yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #78
We are on the verge of losing our home becauase of the endless rent hikes. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #80
DID YOU EVEN SEE THIS? yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #81
I dont think landlords care if i lose my home because i cannot afford rent Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #86
Last I looked you have no right to expect to be able to live anywhere stopbush Oct 2018 #87
Stopbush. Prop 10 will make it easier to stay in expensive cities Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #89
I agree. I am voting yes on Prop 10. stopbush Oct 2018 #93
Me too. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #94
This 5th generation San Franciscan left for the reasons you mention CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #132
Calm down and read the proposition California_Republic Oct 2018 #64
Don't you tell me to calm down, how dare you! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #67
No she can't. Absolutely NOTHING will change for those under rent control still_one Oct 2018 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author Stargleamer Oct 2018 #6
So municipalities should not be allowed to pass stronger rent control laws? DBoon Oct 2018 #10
Because you are against rent control? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #22
Thank you... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #39
The California Democratic Party is saying YES on Prop 10 shanti Oct 2018 #123
I am baffled by the responses to this issue DBoon Oct 2018 #15
I. WILL. NOT. LIVE. LIKE THIS. yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #18
+10,000 Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #23
Then why are Gavin Newsom,an the NAACP, oppossed to it if it is so good for renters still_one Oct 2018 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #97
Local trade union associations are dominated by construction DBoon Oct 2018 #108
Actually I misstated, and need to edit my comment. Labor unions are for Proposition 10, and after I still_one Oct 2018 #134
Thank you! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #135
Nothing will change for anyone who lives in an area currently under rent control. If someone is still_one Oct 2018 #138
Newsom says to vote YES not NO CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #133
It's pretty clear to me why the Democratic Party supports this. David__77 Oct 2018 #40
It baffles me too. Suddenly we are AGAINST rent control? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #75
you should be baffled, yuiyoshida wants rent control for herself but doesn't want it for anyone else CreekDog Oct 2018 #112
They don't understand it and are being misled by the NO on Proposition 10 ads and editorials. still_one Oct 2018 #142
nust be nice to live off the high hog David__77 JuJuYoshida Oct 2018 #19
Quite the opposite if prop 10 fails. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #24
NO ON PROP 10!!! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #25
The last paragraph in your snippet is revealing. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #47
The Chronicle is a Republican paper. RandySF Oct 2018 #57
Hearst is loving this CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #125
Indeed! David__77 Oct 2018 #32
I support allowing rent control. David__77 Oct 2018 #36
You say there are rats in your apartment, but you refuse to research alternative places to live? cwydro Oct 2018 #100
or she can sick the Health Dept. on the landlord CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #145
Prop 10 does not allow a landlord to increase rent flamingdem Oct 2018 #27
READ THIS yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #28
This is the usual pro-growth argument. There is no room for growth in flamingdem Oct 2018 #44
I appreciate your input on this yuiyoshida. I haven't had time to read everything, and there still_one Oct 2018 #29
Thank you... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #30
Labor isn't against 10. David__77 Oct 2018 #33
READ THIS yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #35
The Democratic Party and my local labor council supports it. David__77 Oct 2018 #37
ReAD POST #1 I have posted many NEWSPAPERS THAT SAY yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #41
I get that. The Democratic Party disagrees. David__77 Oct 2018 #42
I WANT FUCKING RENT CONTROL...i don't want my LANDLORD PUTTING ME OUT ON THE STREET yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #46
Sacramento cannot get rent control without this. David__77 Oct 2018 #51
RIGHT, YOU WANT *YOUR* RENT CONTROL, you don't want it for anyone else CreekDog Oct 2018 #113
First of all thank you for bringing this up. I am going to need to find out more about this. There still_one Oct 2018 #45
Thanks for the correction. I don't recall where I cam accross that. Let me ask you a question, still_one Oct 2018 #43
Well... David__77 Oct 2018 #49
So I think you are reading it the way I am, it is ambiguous in that regard. This is going to be a still_one Oct 2018 #59
Don't worry ... LenaBaby61 Oct 2018 #31
BLESS YOU... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #34
Why? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #48
Your position is weird, you vote against rent control and pretend you're protecting CreekDog Oct 2018 #117
YES ON 10. I was virtually evicted becauae of the current laws. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #52
VOTE NO ON TEN!! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #58
Yui, do you understand that the author here is arguing that RENT CONTROL IS BAD ... mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #104
Condo conversion is already an option for landlords RandySF Oct 2018 #53
Thank you. Incredible the level of fear mongering on the side of the no crowd. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #55
The San Francisco Tenants Union endorses 10 RandySF Oct 2018 #56
Yuiyoshida's arguments DonaldsRump Oct 2018 #60
BLESS You... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #61
Much appreciation to you, Yuiyoshida DonaldsRump Oct 2018 #62
The law prop 10 repeals was signed by repug pete wilson. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #95
I was mobbed by three people outside of Ralph's and they all had the same prop to sign. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #65
if you vote yes, and it passes.... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #66
The CA Dem Party is saying to vote YES on Prop 10. stopbush Oct 2018 #68
PROP 10 FACTS yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #69
Why are you not providing the articles and opinions that support a YES vote on Prop 10 stopbush Oct 2018 #70
OH STOP, THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE IS NOT A RIGHT WING RAG yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #72
No, this is your stamping your feet and refusing to consider any alternative stopbush Oct 2018 #91
It doesn't even impact her ability to live in SF RandySF Oct 2018 #102
I agree jodymarie aimee Oct 2018 #129
Here's who is endorsing a YES vote on Prop 10: stopbush Oct 2018 #73
CAA warns that Prop 10 would cause exodus from rental market yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #77
The CA Apartment Association? Surely they're not worried that apartments stopbush Oct 2018 #82
VIDEO yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #84
You can post all the special interest crap you want. I'm not looking at it, stopbush Oct 2018 #88
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #90
I have alerted on this response as being abusive. stopbush Oct 2018 #92
+1 RandySF Oct 2018 #85
I'm confused SoCalNative Oct 2018 #151
Bingo! stopbush Oct 2018 #152
Who are the CAA? RandySF Oct 2018 #96
Seems like a certain someone is being woefully misled ... (nt) mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #107
the CAA is also a top donor to the Republican Party CreekDog Oct 2018 #147
that is bullshit, just stop it. you live in San Francisco, where there is rent control CreekDog Oct 2018 #115
That is a super impressive and credible list of groups and organizations supporting YES on Prop 10 Pachamama Oct 2018 #79
You are in the same boat I am Pachamama. What bothers me most about this proposition as I read it still_one Oct 2018 #98
i'm editing my post because you reconsidered your thoughts CreekDog Oct 2018 #116
I do understand it now. The good news is that it will expand rent control throughout California. still_one Oct 2018 #118
I much prefer your second post here on this, but there is still one more issue CreekDog Oct 2018 #119
These groups all have one sinister objective in common DBoon Oct 2018 #105
Is that the short list? BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #109
Your landlord cannot raise the rent more than the 1.6% allowed by the Rent Board for 2018 RandySF Oct 2018 #83
Thanks Randy, that was some of the specifics I was looking for. I am somewhat curious how that still_one Oct 2018 #99
I cited this is well in my post CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #126
OP has it exactly backwards doxyluv13 Oct 2018 #103
I know the history behind Costa Hawkins DBoon Oct 2018 #106
Exactly right. I'll be voting for Proposition 10 CreekDog Oct 2018 #114
Yuiyoshida wants to keep her rent controlled apartment while voting against rent control for others CreekDog Oct 2018 #111
Actually I think you are being too harsh dog. I think it is a lack of understanding. If the OP still_one Oct 2018 #120
i will dial that post back a bit CreekDog Oct 2018 #121
Last night I spent a lot of time reading the ballot, unfortunately as you have implied there is a still_one Oct 2018 #122
Thank you so much for that. Please spread the word about what it actually does now that you know ) Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #128
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Oct 2018 #130
As a former renter in S.F. there was rent control already! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #124
Excellent explanation!!! still_one Oct 2018 #143
You state you are disabled CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #127
VOTE YES ON PROPOSITION 10 OR I COULD TURN INTO A RHINOCEROS! Not kidding DBoon Oct 2018 #131
I am voting YES on 10, but I have to tell ya DBoon you are making it very tough because I really still_one Oct 2018 #140
We could use more rhinos (n/t) Retrograde Oct 2018 #144
PLEASE, listen to Yui. What she has posted is true. Tikki Oct 2018 #146
there can't be more rent control in California unless you vote FOR Prop. 10 CreekDog Oct 2018 #148
What part of renting our property below market do you not understand? Tikki Oct 2018 #149
voting against Prop. 10 makes you against rent control, it's very simple CreekDog Oct 2018 #153
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #150
Ah ya the main sponsor, a Mr. Weinstein, aka perhaps, Mr. Scheister Extraordinaire. miyazaki Oct 2018 #154
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