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Denzil_DC

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33. Nonsense. There are Tory MPs who are opposed,
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 10:26 PM
Mar 2017

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certainly to a hard Brexit. I'd imagine they looked across the floor of the House of Commons and saw the disarray there and, with a few brave exceptions, decided it wasn't worth sticking their necks out if the Opposition couldn't be bothered.

As it is, under Corbyn, in both the Commons and the Lords, Labour have given May carte blanche to do whatever she wants. And as things stand at the moment, that includes, after Brexit, unraveling all sorts of issues to do with workers' rights, environmental regulations, human rights etc. at the government's leisure without even a veneer of parliamentary scrutiny.

The chances for it to be stopped before the enabling vote existed. They needed some gumption, imagination, and some effort to mobilize the 48% of us and more who didn't vote for it, and the much larger proportion of the population who aren't in favour of withdrawing from the single market (we were promised by numerous prominent Leavers that wasn't even worth worrying about as it wasn't going to happen) and other aspects that it's now going to be much harder to oppose. Christ, if you haven't found the large number of arguments that have been posted on this very group as to why this is an epic clusterfuck persuasive, I don't know what to tell you. The case has been easy to make from day one. And Corbyn was supposedly a figure who could sidestep media negativity and appeal to people directly. But there's that echoing vacuum I've talked about ...

All I will say here... T_i_B Mar 2017 #1
The anti-Corbyn types probably could have persuaded Corbyn to go... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #2
It's not all about Corbyn at this point. It's barely even about Labour any more. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #3
There are valid points in what you've said. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #4
There's not much point having a leader if he/she doesn't lead. n/t Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #5
No one the PLP would accept would lead-all they care about is putting a "moderate" in. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #6
And too many of the Corbynites care only about kicking the moderates out T_i_B Mar 2017 #7
The "moderates" could stop all of that if they just stopped scheming against the current leader. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #12
Wrong. T_i_B Mar 2017 #13
Would you agree with what I suggested above... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #17
No T_i_B Mar 2017 #18
Care to say why my theories are garbage? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #20
Dude - read what I've written above. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #9
I don't want to talk about Corbyn or anti-Corbyn either....but the anti-people "Labour" MPs Ken Burch Mar 2017 #14
"The best approach was to fight to save multicultural Britain in a post-Brexit world." Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #30
In the here and now, there was never any chance that ANY Tory MPs would defy May on Article 50. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32
Nonsense. There are Tory MPs who are opposed, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #33
Thanks Denzil T_i_B Mar 2017 #8
If Corbyn hasn't disappointed me on the Scottish issue, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #10
I actually feel sorry for Kezia Dugdale T_i_B Mar 2017 #11
Why is she even still leading Holyrood Labour after a third-place finish? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #15
Who else is there in Scottish Labour? T_i_B Mar 2017 #16
Is it a requirement that the Scottish Labour leader be a sitting MSP? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #19
Party leaders should always be elected officials T_i_B Mar 2017 #21
That creates a dilemma: Ken Burch Mar 2017 #22
Labour's rivals would love that proposal T_i_B Mar 2017 #23
Why on earth is it so important to you that Scottish Labour survives? Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #27
Only because Labour needs to make a comeback in Scotland... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #28
I've had to knock this myth down before. Sorry, your first argument is just nonsense. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #29
I respect your opinions. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31
I could make some guesses where you might have read stuff like that. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #34
I appreciate the additional information. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #35
That's a shame. One would hope for better. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #36
Her deputy, Alex Rowley, would be in improvement in all sorts of ways. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #24
OK, we have a point of agreement, finally. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Warpy Mar 2017 #26
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