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Denzil_DC

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5. You're seeing it from the perspective of someone who doesn't live in Wales.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:04 AM
Apr 2015

Government policy in Wales is that publications must be available in both English and Welsh, so people in Wales are very much used to negotiating this sort of option online (written media are also presented bilingually).

Here's the Welsh Government home page, notice the same configuration for the placing of the language option: http://gov.wales/?lang=en

If you follow a link to the Welsh Government site that doesn't set the language, you're presented with this page, with the same option: http://gov.wales/splash?orig=/

Plaid could have presented its default home page in both English and Welsh, but that would potentially be more confusing and messy, and the options for translation would have had to be more complicated and less elegant.

They had to opt for one language as the default, and given their history and stance on the Welsh language, it's not a surprise that the default language is Welsh. One simple, clearly signposted click and it's in English. It's not a big deal.

Welsh Labour dealt with the issue like this: http://www.welshlabour.org.uk/ Links and Headings are in both Welsh and English, but I haven't been able to find any Welsh body text on the site, so it's confusing (and would be frustrating if you were expecting bilingual options, which the links/headings suggest would be available).

The Welsh Conservatives don't seem to deal with it at all: http://www.welshconservatives.com/ Click on "Croeso" or "Welcome" and nothing changes - English, like it or leave it.

The Wales Green Party also offers English as the default, with the language option less clearly placed: http://www.walesgreenparty.org.uk/ If you follow any links within the site with language set to Welsh, it's a bit of a mess, and a lottery as to what language you're presented with on any particular page.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, aside from the word "Cymru" alongside "Wales" in its title, UKIP Wales makes no reference to the Welsh language at all: http://www.ukipwales.org.uk/ (The site's also slow as hell here at the moment.)

(As an aside, Plaid Cymru's leader, Leanne Wood, isn't a native Welsh speaker, though she's learning the language.)

Thanks for these, T_i_B Ghost Dog Apr 2015 #1
Some Northern Ireland links T_i_B Apr 2015 #2
"a website that acts as an effective deterrent to anyone who doesn't speak fluent Welsh" Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #3
That's even worse then the loaded questions on the front of Labour's website T_i_B Apr 2015 #4
You're seeing it from the perspective of someone who doesn't live in Wales. Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #5
You are wrong T_i_B Apr 2015 #11
"Now you may consider those people to be 'inpure' or even traitors Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #13
I actually like the leaders of these parties better than any of the mainstream Westminster ones LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #6
Though, technically, she'll stay a Holyrood leader, since she's not standing for Westminster muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #7
Sturgeon's indicated clearly that she would be negotiating for the SNP after the election. Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #8
Yes - it will be interesting to see how this plays out. LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #12
I think the SNP's strength is that it can look like the LDP, but without the massive baggage MisterP Apr 2015 #9
The fight for the "real left" with Scottish Labour is something Labour has long abandoned. Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #10
2017 General election kick T_i_B Apr 2017 #14
I think you'll know me well enough by now to know that I shy away from making electoral predictions! Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #15
Well, if you live in Scotland... T_i_B Apr 2017 #16
Linton Crosbie demonized Sturgeon and the SNP in the last UK election. Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #17
In the aftermath of the 2015 election.... T_i_B Apr 2017 #18
2019 General election kick T_i_B Oct 2019 #19
Like everywhere else in the UK, it's tough to call what may happen in this election. Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #20
Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #21
How did a 'Post removed' suddenly get on a thread that started in 2015? LeftishBrit Sep 2020 #22
Didn't see it. Denzil_DC Sep 2020 #23
Bingo. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #25
You know what kinds of posts show up on really old threads Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #24
You're right - I have some MIRT experience! LeftishBrit Sep 2020 #26
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