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Response to T_i_B (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:34 AM

13. "Now you may consider those people to be 'inpure' or even traitors

but that says more about you then"

You know, I believe this is the second interaction I've had with you on this forum where you've erected a straw man out your suppositions about what I think, then proceeded to berate me for it. It's getting a bit tired.

Where in my post did I say anything, anything at all, that could be construed as my considering non-Welsh speakers to be "impure" or "traitors." Good grief, it's pure projection on your part, and borders on trolling. It says more about one of us, but I don't think it's me in this case.

I even pointed out that the very leader of Plaid Cymru isn't a Welsh speaker. I think none the worse of her for it. My forebears came from the same Valleys where she lives, and it's never been a Welsh-language stronghold. My mother learned Welsh relatively late in life, my father was always bilingual. Both Welsh and English were spoken in our household, which is far from unusual. I had both bilingual and non-bilingual friends at school, was streamed in English-language teaching classes in primary and secondary education, and the bulk of my closer schoolfriends were actually from English families, because we had a military base nearby and quite a number of them passed though our school when their parents were posted there.

You baldly state I'm "wrong." I was born and brought up bilingual in Wales. I'm familiar with how the language issue plays out there. Whereas you, from a distant perch, presume to pass judgement on not only your projections of my attitudes to people, but how people in Wales might react to a website. They're not after your vote. You don't live in a constituency where you can vote for them.

I've taken the time to explain to you how the interplay between Welsh and English in official documents works in Wales. If you're not interested in that, then you'll be none the wiser. There is no party in Wales which is standing on a platform of changing how Welsh is treated in that country. It's not a partisan issue. But you can speak for "many, if not most of those" who don't speak Welsh? Alrighty, then.

Comparing the Plaid Cymru website with the SNP's, when the SNP doesn't have the same imperative to address the issue because Gaelic is even more of a minority language than Welsh, is a false comparison. Compare Plaid's site with those of the other parties standing in Wales and you'll see that the solution they've come up with is more in keeping with how the Welsh Government deals with it, and a lot more consistent than the fudges the other parties have come up with, which in some cases come across as pure lip service. That's a much more relevant comparison.

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