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MBS

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4. I basically trust Obama on this issue
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:33 PM
May 2015

and I've been hating all the stridency
If it were any other president, especially if it were a Republican president (or a less worker-friendly Democrat), I could understand the skepticism more. But undermining Obama would just leave it for some other country (say, China, as Obama mentioned) or some future administration to settle the agreement their way. Among those choices, Obama is easily my favorite option for trade negotiator.

Ruth Marcus wrote an interesting column in today's Washington Post. I don't buy 100% of her piece, but I do agree with her that many of the objections to TPP are based on less than solid foundation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-phony-argument/2015/05/19/85c3a026-fe4c-11e4-805c-c3f407e5a9e9_story.html

Some sample excerpts

This is not secrecy for secrecy’s sake; it’s secrecy for the sake of negotiating advantage. Exposing U.S. bargaining positions or the offers of foreign counterparts to public view before the agreement is completed would undermine the outcome. Indeed, extracting the maximum concessions from other countries may not be possible until after Congress grants the fast-track authority to convince foreign competitors that the agreement has a shot. The labor leaders who decry this backroom deal wouldn’t want their collective bargaining negotiations conducted in the public glare... .
. . .
So what about those corporate lobbyists writing the deal behind closed doors? Well, the working groups were established by congressional fiat. The Obama administration has moved to expand the membership to include representatives of labor and environmental groups. It tried to kick lobbyists off — until it was sued for doing so.

As to Warren’s complaint that Bush released the text of a previous trade agreement, the countries involved in the Free Trade Area of the Americas agreed to make initial proposals public. This disclosure was a departure, not the norm — and, by the way, the deal fizzled.
I did not know that about the past 80 years. NYC_SKP May 2015 #1
My decision on whether has been in reserve for some time, I would like to see the final agreement. Thinkingabout May 2015 #2
Excellent article. Every Prez "Except Obama." Quite damning if you ask me. Hoyt May 2015 #3
“This is not a partisan issue,” Warren insisted. Yes, in a twisted way, the hard left’s fixation Cha May 2015 #7
"Warren: Obama is intellectually dishonest. Man, that's a fancy way of calling a man a liar." Cha May 2015 #8
I basically trust Obama on this issue MBS May 2015 #4
The complete dismissal of the president is what is wrong. yallerdawg May 2015 #5
Look at Elizabeth Warren giving props to the fact that she thinks that GWB was more transparent than Cha May 2015 #9
I've been very disappointed by Warren's showboating on this MBS May 2015 #11
Thank you for all those quotes from the link, MBS.. I think you're one of the rare people who Cha May 2015 #12
Say whaaaaaaat?? Major Hogwash May 2015 #16
+ 100 n/t MBS May 2015 #10
I was going to post this.. mahalo madame. The case put forth by a showboating U.S. Sen. EW Cha May 2015 #6
Washington state has done really well these last 5 years or so, especially in the area of trade. Major Hogwash May 2015 #17
I finally read the whole oped MBS May 2015 #13
"It sure is hard to be an intelligent leader in this country." Indeed. great white snark May 2015 #14
" " " " n/t MBS May 2015 #15
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