That implies sex has value (Reply #26)

In the discussion thread: Not using a condom when you promise to is unacceptable. [View all]

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Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:08 PM

26. That implies sex has value

And leads to all sorts of follow up questions such as value for whom and how much. Are we talking petty theft or grand larceny?

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66 replies	Author	Time	Post
Not using a condom when you promise to is unacceptable. [View all]	Bonobo	Mar 2015	OP
If you consent to have sex with someone provided they use a condom and they don't	PoliticAverse	Mar 2015	#1
I think so, yes.	Bonobo	Mar 2015	#2
It may not meet the strict definition of rape, however, its is, without a doubt, sexual assault.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#5
If wrapping it is a condition for consent then yes, it is.	PeteSelman	Mar 2015	#3
So logically then, it would follow that other conditions not being met would also make it "rape"	Bonobo	Mar 2015	#4
"Would breaking those conditions make it "rape"?" - Those conditions are absurd and unrealistic.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#6
By that logic a woman claiming to be on BC duplicitously is "tantamount to rape"	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#7
I happen to be of the opinion that a women lieing to a man about being on the pill and coexing him..	Veilex	Mar 2015	#9
Not having sex at all is also a choice which hasn't been deprived in this scenario	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#14
"Not having sex at all is also a choice" - I kinda just said that.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#16
I'm not creating a false equivalency, I'm pointing out one	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#17
Your completely missing the point.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#18
Because I don't agree with your false assertion, doesn't mean I'm missing your point	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#19
That you agree or not is irrelevent.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#20
Non-sequitur	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#21
No, that's not a non-sequiter. You're splitting hairs.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#22
Just one sexual assault statute that mentions codom use is fine	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#23
"mentions codom use" - You've added artificial requirements.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#25
You stole my line!	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#28
"If two people agree to have sex, then it's not rape." - except that your ignoring the precondition.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#31
...	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#36
The op isn't about the pill.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#38
It's the exact same standard	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#39
You're on the losing end of an argument so you distract away from it and...	Veilex	Mar 2015	#43
Danth's Law applies well here	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#47
retroactive consent	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2015	#40
Actually...	Veilex	Mar 2015	#42
Getting arrested and being put in jail is not "legal jurisprudence"	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#44
I don't think so.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#46
Your entire argument is nothing but a double standard	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#48
Do you have a case citation for the one case that resulted in jail	JimDandy	Mar 2015	#51
"Do you have a case citation for the one case" - I do not.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#52
There are potential consequences occurring to both parties, but it ain't assault.	Eleanors38	Mar 2015	#66
Condoms protect against AIDS and other STDs, birth control pills do not. They're not equivalent. n/t	prayin4rain	Mar 2015	#60
Which was never the point	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#61
Oh, I thought it had already been determined that framing it as a simple	prayin4rain	Mar 2015	#62
Is "I'm on the pill! Honest!" Rape?	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2015	#8
Nothing about "I'm on the pill! Honest!" stops you from using a condom.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#10
unless youre in a commited relationship and havent been using them at her request b/c she's	Romeo.lima333	Mar 2015	#11
In that scenario, there are bigger things at issue. Namely issues of trust between the two of you.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#12
she wanted to get married and thought this was the way to go about it, i guess	Romeo.lima333	Mar 2015	#13
Some women are in love with the idea of being in love and/or having kids.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#15
A reversible male contraceptive is way overdue.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2015	#33
"A reversible male contraceptive is way overdue." - Totally!	Veilex	Mar 2015	#35
All of the major research on the topic is happening in other countries (of course)	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2015	#41
"All of the major research on the topic is happening in other countries "	Veilex	Mar 2015	#45
Somthing else I've noticed with the notion of the male BC pill...	Veilex	Mar 2015	#57
Exactly. I am convinced that this is the main stumbling block.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2015	#58
Yeah...given the option, I'm pretty sure a heck of alot of men would use it.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#59
What an awful misogynistic comment:	JimDandy	Mar 2015	#53
"Let me educate you" - No, allow me to educate you, ma'am...	Veilex	Mar 2015	#54
Your comment is very clear	JimDandy	Mar 2015	#55
Riiiight... enjoy your own confirmation bias.	Veilex	Mar 2015	#56
You will likely not get an answer to the question.	Behind the Aegis	Mar 2015	#24
That implies sex has value	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#26
As I understand it, petty theft.	Behind the Aegis	Mar 2015	#27
I would not be surprised at all if duplicitously claiming to use BC has been interpreted as a crime	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#29
Arguably, unplanned pregnancy does have a cost.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2015	#30
Yes, consequences tend to have costs associated	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#32
The purpose of condoms and birth control are to mitigate risk.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2015	#34
True	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#37
No, I think that it is a crime, or at least a law that should exist	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Mar 2015	#49
Indeed	Veilex	Mar 2015	#50
How do you envision...	tonedevil	Mar 2015	#63
If either party objects to sex and sex procedes, it's rape	Major Nikon	Mar 2015	#64
Rather simple, isn't it. nt	Bonobo	Mar 2015	#65

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