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lumberjack_jeff

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34. The purpose of condoms and birth control are to mitigate risk.

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:33 PM

Mar 2015

I certainly wouldn't agree that unprotected sex is rape, but I would say that the degree of fraudulent harm involved in the pill example is at least as severe as that in the condom one.

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Not using a condom when you promise to is unacceptable. [View all] Bonobo Mar 2015 OP

If you consent to have sex with someone provided they use a condom and they don't PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #1

I think so, yes. Bonobo Mar 2015 #2

It may not meet the strict definition of rape, however, its is, without a doubt, sexual assault. Veilex Mar 2015 #5

If wrapping it is a condition for consent then yes, it is. PeteSelman Mar 2015 #3

So logically then, it would follow that other conditions not being met would also make it "rape" Bonobo Mar 2015 #4

"Would breaking those conditions make it "rape"?" - Those conditions are absurd and unrealistic. Veilex Mar 2015 #6

By that logic a woman claiming to be on BC duplicitously is "tantamount to rape" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #7

I happen to be of the opinion that a women lieing to a man about being on the pill and coexing him.. Veilex Mar 2015 #9

Not having sex at all is also a choice which hasn't been deprived in this scenario Major Nikon Mar 2015 #14

"Not having sex at all is also a choice" - I kinda just said that. Veilex Mar 2015 #16

I'm not creating a false equivalency, I'm pointing out one Major Nikon Mar 2015 #17

Your completely missing the point. Veilex Mar 2015 #18

Because I don't agree with your false assertion, doesn't mean I'm missing your point Major Nikon Mar 2015 #19

That you agree or not is irrelevent. Veilex Mar 2015 #20

Non-sequitur Major Nikon Mar 2015 #21

No, that's not a non-sequiter. You're splitting hairs. Veilex Mar 2015 #22

Just one sexual assault statute that mentions codom use is fine Major Nikon Mar 2015 #23

"mentions codom use" - You've added artificial requirements. Veilex Mar 2015 #25

You stole my line! Major Nikon Mar 2015 #28

"If two people agree to have sex, then it's not rape." - except that your ignoring the precondition. Veilex Mar 2015 #31

... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #36

The op isn't about the pill. Veilex Mar 2015 #38

It's the exact same standard Major Nikon Mar 2015 #39

You're on the losing end of an argument so you distract away from it and... Veilex Mar 2015 #43

Danth's Law applies well here Major Nikon Mar 2015 #47

retroactive consent lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #40

Actually... Veilex Mar 2015 #42

Getting arrested and being put in jail is not "legal jurisprudence" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #44

I don't think so. Veilex Mar 2015 #46

Your entire argument is nothing but a double standard Major Nikon Mar 2015 #48

Do you have a case citation for the one case that resulted in jail JimDandy Mar 2015 #51

"Do you have a case citation for the one case" - I do not. Veilex Mar 2015 #52

There are potential consequences occurring to both parties, but it ain't assault. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #66

Condoms protect against AIDS and other STDs, birth control pills do not. They're not equivalent. n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #60

Which was never the point Major Nikon Mar 2015 #61

Oh, I thought it had already been determined that framing it as a simple prayin4rain Mar 2015 #62

Is "I'm on the pill! Honest!" Rape? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #8

Nothing about "I'm on the pill! Honest!" stops you from using a condom. Veilex Mar 2015 #10

unless youre in a commited relationship and havent been using them at her request b/c she's Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #11

In that scenario, there are bigger things at issue. Namely issues of trust between the two of you. Veilex Mar 2015 #12

she wanted to get married and thought this was the way to go about it, i guess Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #13

Some women are in love with the idea of being in love and/or having kids. Veilex Mar 2015 #15

A reversible male contraceptive is way overdue. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #33

"A reversible male contraceptive is way overdue." - Totally! Veilex Mar 2015 #35

All of the major research on the topic is happening in other countries (of course) lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #41

"All of the major research on the topic is happening in other countries " Veilex Mar 2015 #45

Somthing else I've noticed with the notion of the male BC pill... Veilex Mar 2015 #57

Exactly. I am convinced that this is the main stumbling block. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #58

Yeah...given the option, I'm pretty sure a heck of alot of men would use it. Veilex Mar 2015 #59

What an awful misogynistic comment: JimDandy Mar 2015 #53

"Let me educate you" - No, allow me to educate you, ma'am... Veilex Mar 2015 #54

Your comment is very clear JimDandy Mar 2015 #55

Riiiight... enjoy your own confirmation bias. Veilex Mar 2015 #56

You will likely not get an answer to the question. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #24

That implies sex has value Major Nikon Mar 2015 #26

As I understand it, petty theft. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #27

I would not be surprised at all if duplicitously claiming to use BC has been interpreted as a crime Major Nikon Mar 2015 #29

Arguably, unplanned pregnancy does have a cost. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #30

Yes, consequences tend to have costs associated Major Nikon Mar 2015 #32

The purpose of condoms and birth control are to mitigate risk. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #34

True Major Nikon Mar 2015 #37

No, I think that it is a crime, or at least a law that should exist ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2015 #49

Indeed Veilex Mar 2015 #50

How do you envision... tonedevil Mar 2015 #63

If either party objects to sex and sex procedes, it's rape Major Nikon Mar 2015 #64

Rather simple, isn't it. nt Bonobo Mar 2015 #65