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lumberjack_jeff

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5. Kids aren't a consumer good. One doesn't need "to pay for them", one needs to "parent" them.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:50 PM
Apr 2012

If one's only value to their kids is the income they bring in, it's unfortunate that they became parents.

"Who is better suited as a parent" is a gordian knot that no court has the time, inclination or wisdom to fully sort out. A parent who lives in-state, who doesn't have a relevant criminal conviction and who agrees to it, should be obliged to shared custody.

Courts "err toward mothers" = bias. Any rationalizations for why are irrelevant to that basic point.

If a woman is more valuable in the home and should be awarded custody/child support accordingly, then a man is more valuable in the workplace, and should be paid and promoted accordingly.

Family court is not only biased, it is corrupt and incestuous. Child support is a profit center for cash strapped states. For instance, for five years the State of Ohio knowingly double-collected the $1330.78 monthly child support that they ordered from Matthew Dunlop, skimmed 2% off the top for "administrative expenses" and refused to refund the $84,000 that they stole from him.

Family court orders arbitrarily large child support awards that the non custodial parent can't afford then collects a commission on the "deal". The parent then is unable to afford housing or basic needs to be a parent during (generally his) visitation.

The rarity of shared custody orders are partially the result of this conflict of interest. If the judge doesn't give custody to someone, they'll be unable to extract "administrative expenses" from the other one, nor will they get the federal incentive match from the federal government for collecting the debt. Ohio made $223 million in 2005 off this arrangement, and used some of the proceeds to purchase ad and billboard space villifiying deadbeat dads. It's self interest masquerading as public interest, and it is harming kids by contributing to alienation from their parents.

Charles Bruce and debtors prison [View all] lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 OP
What was his income when he was accruing the debt? noamnety Apr 2012 #1
Imputed income is a fascinating topic. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #2
I can talk some about impuded income as it applied to us. noamnety Apr 2012 #3
I'd like to see some unbiased, real data on this case, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #4
Kids aren't a consumer good. One doesn't need "to pay for them", one needs to "parent" them. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #5
Here's my point. Going by the "traditional", Mitt Romney style family arrangement Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #6
The court can't mandate anything. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #7
You and I agree on much, but I think we part ways on a couple parts too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #8
Responsibility for ones kids? Absolutely. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #9
I hear you, Jeff. In my family it was my dad who was the alcoholic. I do suspect that both our Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #14
Fitness based on what though? Whose criteria. There really only is one acceptable one stevenleser Apr 2012 #21
I'd start with who has been providing the majority of care, and then see how the kids feel. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #24
And I think that since the marital union is not an issue any longer, any arrangements made are not stevenleser Apr 2012 #25
You don't think, for instance, that the fact that one parent has spent 10 yrs in the workforce Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #26
No.Let's turn that around. Since one that one parent has spent 10 years in the workforce should they stevenleser Apr 2012 #27
You think I'm advocating for a particular position. I'm not. Nt Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #28
Dennis Rodman and Dave Foley Mammone Apr 2012 #12
Technically, Dave foley owes money in Canada, not the us. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #13
So they should go to jail? Mammone Apr 2012 #15
I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the narrative of "greedy ex... and !kids!" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #16
The courts are the greedy ones Mammone Apr 2012 #17
Judges get a cut of child support that they order? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #18
yes states get kickbacks and do pass on bonuses to judges Mammone Apr 2012 #19
excellent link. Bookmarking. nt lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #20
When your kids live with you half of the time, you are supporting them. Period. nt stevenleser Apr 2012 #22
I think denial of custodial rights should = no child support tech_smythe Apr 2012 #10
I think it should trigger revisiting the custody decision lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #11
a parent who prevents visitations... grasswire May 2012 #30
Unless it's the mother alienating the father... then it's ok tech_smythe May 2012 #31
The whole non-custodial parent is an invented and discriminatory state that is unnecessary stevenleser Apr 2012 #23
Progress is slow when there's a strong financial incentive to keep it the way it is. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #29
Is this Charles Bruce? Cokab16 Jun 2016 #32
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