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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #13)

Fri May 17, 2013, 04:14 PM

41. The part about self esteem seems right to me.

I don't accept these three statements together.
Men tend to be masculine
Society defines masculinity
The consensus markers of masculinity are bad things

In fact, I only accept the first statement.


The first statement seems really simple and obvious, but my brain is making it really complex for some reason. Perhaps I am having a hard time with it because masculinity is so subjective that I think the statement can mean many different things.

The second statement is difficult for me because we have not agreed upon what masculinity actually is. In my view, masculinity is rhetorical, so it is defined by individuals, all conscious humans with a concept of masculinity, and by our language.

I believe "bad" comes from the observer, as opposed to the thing/situation being observed, so I also deny the third statement, but my reasons may be different than yours.

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