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Demeter

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40. Greece’s game plan By Felix Salmon
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:40 AM
Jan 2012
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/18/greeces-game-plan/

Greek prime minister Lucas Papademos gave an important interview to the NYT on Monday night. Think for a minute about the natural fractiousness of bondholders, and then read this:

Mr. Papademos said that if Greece did not receive 100 percent participation in a program in which bondholders would voluntarily write down $130 billion from Greece’s unwieldy $450 billion debt, the country would consider passing a law to require holdouts to take losses.

“It is something that has to be considered in the light of expectations about the degree of the participation to be achieved,” Mr. Papademos said. “It cannot be excluded. It is contingent on the percentage.”


This is a pretty clear message: if the bondholders don’t agree to Greece’s terms, then Greece can simply force them to join the exchange. Greece’s bonds are issued under Greek law, and Greece can change its own domestic law any time it wants. My guess is that this is exactly what’s going to end up happening. Papademos has two sets of advisors: its bankers, Lazard, and its lawyers, Cleary Gottlieb. Lazard’s Greece team is headed by Mark Walker, the former managing partner at Cleary Gottlieb, and Cleary’s Greece team is headed by the dean of sovereign debt advisors, Lee Buchheit. Bondholders, in general, have a lot of experience going up against Walker, Buchheit, and Cleary generally. And whenever that’s happened, the sovereigns have won, and the bondholders have lost. Just ask anybody who held Russian domestic debt in 1998: Russia’s lawyer, back then, was Mark Walker.

Meanwhile, the lead negotiator on the creditor side is the IIF’s Charles Dallara, an amiable buffoon whose main purpose in life is to try to make sure that everybody likes him and thinks that he’s important. When faced with hard-nosed and single-minded Cleary types, he’ll be useless — especially given that the banks have already cut him off at the knees by refusing to let him negotiate on their behalf. He can wave his hands around and agree in principle to a deal, but he can’t actually commit any bondholders to participating. Which means that the “negotiations” are really just an opportunity for Dallara to talk a lot (he likes doing that), and for Greece to flatter him into “agreeing” to whatever it is they’re going to do in any case.

In her interview with Papademos, Rachel Donadio says that “European leaders are set against” the idea that Greece’s credit default swaps should be triggered, on the grounds that it “could ignite a chain reaction with unpredictable and potentially catastrophic results for the world financial system”. She’s wrong about that: it couldn’t. The only thing a CDS trigger does is make sure that people who bought insurance on a Greek default get paid when Greece defaults. It would mean that the people doing the insuring lose money, of course. But anybody writing an insurance policy has to be willing to pay out on it — especially when you’re insuring a credit as risky as Greece. A CDS trigger would not be catastrophic at all, and there’s really no reason to try to avoid one...The real negotiations are the ones which are certainly going on behind the scenes, between the troika (the EU, the ECB, and the IMF) and the Greeks. The one thing which Greece needs is for the troika to keep on funding Greece’s deficits. And so it’s the troika — the organizations who are actually providing money, here — which holds all the cards. As in any bankruptcy, if you put up cash, you call the tune....But the big-picture game plan is clear. Greece is going to default, on March 20, and there’s really nothing the banks can do to stop it. If you’re not willing to accept whatever deal Greece comes up with, you probably shouldn’t be holding Greek bonds at all.
Hello? Hello? Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #1
Heya TG! Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #2
Hey! Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #3
Keep it down, willya?!? Fuddnik Jan 2012 #4
If you're trying to watch CSI Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #5
Just got in 5 minutes ago Demeter Jan 2012 #6
Send some of that warmth this way. n/t Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #41
$10 TRILLION Liquidity Injection Coming? Credit Suisse Hunkers Down Ahead Of The European Endgame Demeter Jan 2012 #7
Can someone explain this so ordinary folks know what's coming? Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #8
I don't think anyone really knows, Tansy Demeter Jan 2012 #12
It doesn't look good from where I sit. Fuddnik Jan 2012 #17
Speaking of the skunk, I just meandered over to Automatic Earth and found this. Fuddnik Jan 2012 #18
Yeah. What would be the corresponding statistics for the States? The Skunk, you see, Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #19
Our town has a nice local restaurant DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #33
I am glad you are doing better...... AnneD Jan 2012 #71
Well, ZH has a tendency to go way over the top, on occasion. The 'soundbite' is based on Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #20
I don't really "understand" any of it, Tansy - but I don't think it matters bread_and_roses Jan 2012 #62
Not as far back as our reptile brains. Just a hundred and fifty years of Western social progress, Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #65
Think March 1930 to March 1933 happyslug Jan 2012 #101
IMF seeks $600 billion more in funds; G20 to discuss Demeter Jan 2012 #10
WHERE IN THE HOLY FUCK Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #11
Well, now, that's the 10 Trillion Euro question, isn't it? Demeter Jan 2012 #13
Then I'm going to bed. Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #16
I think that 10T is digitally printed for the banksters DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #23
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Fears rise over Commerzbank and MPS Demeter Jan 2012 #24
Greek bond talks edge closer to deal Demeter Jan 2012 #25
IMF requests $500bn for bail-out loans Demeter Jan 2012 #26
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These voters may very likely stay home Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #69
EU to take legal action against Hungary Demeter Jan 2012 #29
Warning on returns from MF Global UK Demeter Jan 2012 #30
Four banks set to bid for mortgage securities Demeter Jan 2012 #31
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Oil demand falls for first time since 2009 Demeter Jan 2012 #34
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The A-List: Jeffrey Sachs - Self-interest, without morals, leads to capitalism’s self-destruction Demeter Jan 2012 #37
Self-interest - regulation = greed. Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #38
Hedge Funds May Sue Greece if It Tries to Force Loss Demeter Jan 2012 #39
Greece’s game plan By Felix Salmon Demeter Jan 2012 #40
Eurocrisis is a Global Crisis Demeter Jan 2012 #46
Münchau: We are fighting the wrong crisis Demeter Jan 2012 #47
Riiight. Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #59
IngSoc Newspeak. For 'Hedge' read 'Vulture', Alice says. Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #53
good morning -- i hope every one is fine -- sorry to hear, demeter, that xchrom Jan 2012 #42
Thanks. It is tiring and a trial Demeter Jan 2012 #44
here's to feeling better and to hopefully slowing down if only just a little xchrom Jan 2012 #48
Money Can Buy Happiness SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN Demeter Jan 2012 #43
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Housing starts Roland99 Jan 2012 #50
Employment stats Roland99 Jan 2012 #51
CPI Roland99 Jan 2012 #52
THANK YOU!!! Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #60
you're welcome! Roland99 Jan 2012 #72
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PRECIOUS-Gold climbs as rising risk appetite lifts euro xchrom Jan 2012 #66
Spanish treasury celebrates successful long-term debt auctions xchrom Jan 2012 #56
Life expectancy falls in Spain xchrom Jan 2012 #57
One factor here will be the decrease in immigration. Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #63
It's going to be interesting to follow the effects xchrom Jan 2012 #64
Facing a dystopian future xchrom Jan 2012 #58
Commerzbank Shortfall 'Bigger Than First Thought' xchrom Jan 2012 #61
Commerzbank Halfway to Plugging Capital Hole, Won’t Need Aid; Stock Soars Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #67
i don't get it either. nt xchrom Jan 2012 #68
New job rant. Hotler Jan 2012 #70
It's been the rare IT job that I've been up and running in the 1st week Roland99 Jan 2012 #74
As long as... AnneD Jan 2012 #75
Anne your right. Hotler Jan 2012 #78
Ditto what AnneD says, and furthermore Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #77
Thank you. SMW, There is no place like home. n/t Hotler Jan 2012 #79
Cyberfriends are good! DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #82
Some Days I Actually Prefer SMW to Home Demeter Jan 2012 #90
Rant to your hearts content....... AnneD Jan 2012 #80
"the check clears the bank". Hotler Jan 2012 #88
It is the little things.... AnneD Jan 2012 #95
Banking Holidays and Panics..... AnneD Jan 2012 #76
Leadership? Fuddnik Jan 2012 #81
I bring you ... AnneD Jan 2012 #85
The last paragraph DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #83
After they take their "fees" out first. Fuddnik Jan 2012 #84
"asymmetric information deficit", such an elegant way of saying Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #86
Heeeeee! n/t Hotler Jan 2012 #89
Obama's "tax-policy", the new puppet-in-waiting and the collapsed UBS business model. Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #87
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Fabricated documents DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #100
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That's It, Tansy. I'm Too Pooped to Post Demeter Jan 2012 #99
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