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42. I'm guessing interest rates and annuity yields were considerably higher when you bought
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 12:44 AM
Jun 2021

them compared to today.

If your yield was 1.45 X today's rate (8.164% instead of 5.63%), I find that the rate of return for the immediate annuity is much better: for example 5.20% for N=20, 7.13% for N=30, and 7.75% for N = 40, quite a lot more than shown in my table:
1.16% for N=20, 3.78% for N=30, and 4.75% for N=40.

Edited to add - I didn't bother doing similar for the deferred annuity, yet.

I wasn't trying to compare to what you bought 10 years or so ago, but rather what's available now at today's rates. As the bond fund yields upthread were today's rates. And I have no idea what you bought, frankly. Just a warning to others that the yield and the rate of return are very different things with income annuities.

The 4% rule that is often quoted as safe is where one takes 4% out the first year. Then each year after the dollar amount that is taken out is increased by the rate of inflation. So if one has a million dollar nest egg, one can safely (if the future is like the past) take out $40,000 the first year, then $41,000 the second year, then $42,025 the 3rd year and so on, By the 20th year one can take out $65,545. By the 30th year, $83,903. My numbers above is an example assuming a 2.5% inflation rate (midway between the 2% of the last 2 decades and the 3% that we averaged before that).

Even if I live well into my 90s there will probably be residual value left which will go to my son.


Isn't the amount of residual value in the contract? Or does it depend on the performance of some bond or equity index?

I'm not dissing your financial adviser. Besides emphasizing diversity, you've written that your equities are all in equity funds, the choice of which were designed to have relatively low portfolio volatility. Sounds very sensible to me, but then I am biased. I only have one individual stock - a utility stock (Sempra, SRE) that I inherited. I've thought of selling it for portfolio simplification, but the capital gains tax would be quite large (a first world problem ). Individual stocks are way too volatile for me, and would take me way to much time and attention to do well at it.

Thank you for getting me to look into annuities. (So many varieties!)

Edited to add "besides emphasizing diversity" in the 2nd to last paragraph.
How much you got? Asking for a friend. marble falls May 2021 #1
$1,900,000,000,000 give or take a few trillion nt doc03 May 2021 #13
So what's your motive for more income? ... marble falls May 2021 #14
Greed nt doc03 May 2021 #19
I posted before I was finished, please read it again, I made a serious reply. marble falls May 2021 #23
There are plently of guaranteed investments returning way more than 0.3 % drray23 May 2021 #2
Where in the world are you seeig a guaranteed 3%? I believe nowhere. NoRethugFriends May 2021 #3
thats why you have to work with advisors and financial managers. drray23 May 2021 #6
Looks like you have TIAA Traditional Abnredleg May 2021 #8
yeap. so am i (in academia) drray23 May 2021 #9
elsewhere its also offered under a different name. drray23 May 2021 #11
I am not familiar with the instrument Tomconroy May 2021 #17
well yes its not meant for you to get high returns. drray23 May 2021 #20
I think the company has figured out Tomconroy May 2021 #24
It appears you have a misunderstanding of what TIAA does and what an Annuity is. A HERETIC I AM May 2021 #37
He wrote .3% not 3% rickford66 May 2021 #21
No I wrote 3 % drray23 May 2021 #26
I put a group named Blooom in control of my 401(k), which is with another company. NBachers May 2021 #4
Are you retired? A HERETIC I AM May 2021 #36
I was reading an article today that Tomconroy May 2021 #5
I'm 71 and have been retired for 19 years. multigraincracker May 2021 #7
Send it to me in bitcoin. Chainfire May 2021 #10
I did look it up. The interest on US Savings bonds Tomconroy May 2021 #12
Thanks for the input. I have my IRAs Invested in Vanguard and T.Rowe Price doc03 May 2021 #18
Savings bonds you can cash out early. Tomconroy May 2021 #22
Remember the old days when they'd roll them over if you didn't cash them in? marble falls May 2021 #25
I went thru the 2008 and 1984 multigraincracker May 2021 #29
Odd the EE savings bonds suck so much (these are the ones without the inflation adjust) progree May 2021 #27
I do not believe that annuities are a good investment Tomconroy May 2021 #15
Annuities are essentially insurance products. A HERETIC I AM May 2021 #35
There are different kinds of annuities. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2021 #38
Some may compare annuity yields to those of bonds and CD's without understanding the differences progree Jun 2021 #40
My annuities will not die with me, if there is still any value left. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #41
I'm guessing interest rates and annuity yields were considerably higher when you bought progree Jun 2021 #42
Yes, rates were somewhat higher then. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #43
On the 4% rule - progree Jun 2021 #45
You can get 4% - 5% guaranteed return tax free calguy May 2021 #16
I haven't seen anything like 4% - 5% anywhere for a long long time, and municipal bonds are not a progree May 2021 #28
We might not be talking about the same thing. calguy May 2021 #30
Can new investors buy these, e.g. the EVM Eaton Vance California Municipal Bond Fund progree May 2021 #31
You just have to have an account with a stock broker calguy May 2021 #32
Thanks much 😂 I just went to Vanguard.com (where I have an account) progree May 2021 #33
Everything has risk bucolic_frolic May 2021 #34
I want to strongly second what bucolic_frolic said. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2021 #39
I have a majority of my money in four Vanguard funds bif Jun 2021 #44
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