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caraher

(6,278 posts)
12. That 86% figure is pretty squirrely
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 11:37 PM
Aug 2016

I found one paywalled journal article related to this project and otherwise a bunch of press releases and articles based on them. It is apparently achieved because their not looking at the energy in electricity but thermal energy. In fact, a big part of their pitch is really about the ability to feed hydrogen into natural gas systems at low concentrations, using it to make methane, district heating systems, etc. in addition to doing things like filling hydrogen car fuel tanks. The 86% is an "energy utilization rate" that isn't rigorously defined in any source I've been able to track down.

I don't think that figure describes what happens to the transportation use of renewable energy to produce hydrogen, which was the subject of the OP.

This message was self-deleted by its author MichiganVote Aug 2016 #1
Actually, since so called "renewable energy" is an expensive failure... NNadir Aug 2016 #3
I'm a strong supporter of alternative and renewable fuels, but hydrogen scares the hell out of me. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #2
Don't worry about it. People have been running this hydrogen scam for generations. NNadir Aug 2016 #4
Do you trust gasoline-powered cars? OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #9
That's why we LWolf Aug 2016 #5
"When produced using renewable energy" progressoid Aug 2016 #6
And it's even worse than that caraher Aug 2016 #7
Or maybe not OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #10
I don't see the immediate relevance to transportation, the subject of the OP caraher Aug 2016 #13
Relevance to the OP OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #14
Or maybe not OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #11
That 86% figure is pretty squirrely caraher Aug 2016 #12
Do other forms of recovered energy not count then? OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #15
Southeast Asia’s First Renewable Hydrogen-Based Energy Storage and Power Plant Awarded to Hydrogeni… OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #16
We're over 400 ppm of CO2 permanently and we're still focusing on this piddling... NNadir Aug 2016 #17
18 trillion watts (18 million megawatts) for a year = 570 exajoules, I think progree Aug 2016 #18
You are correct. In my anger at the stupidity of the post, I left out the "Mega" prefix... NNadir Aug 2016 #19
So in 30 years, hydrogen cars might be as cheap to drive as electric cars are today??? NickB79 Aug 2016 #8
Only if there are no improvements in battery storage technology over that 30 years.. mackdaddy Aug 2016 #20
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