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mackdaddy

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20. Only if there are no improvements in battery storage technology over that 30 years..

Reply to NickB79 (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 23, 2016, 02:19 PM

Aug 2016

But I have seen several deploy-able new battery technologies in the last few months.

If batteries can be recharged in the 5-10 minute time frame, and the weight and energy density continue to improve, Hydrogen & fuel cells will have a hard time catching up for this applications.

And there will be billions needed in infrastructure build out for hydrogen.

But Hydrogen is a way for the current HydroCarbon corporations to keep their monopoly power going for a few more decades. If we are still here to worry about it of course.

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Hydrogen cost could equal 50-cent gasoline, with renewable energy: study [View all] nationalize the fed Aug 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author MichiganVote Aug 2016 #1

Actually, since so called "renewable energy" is an expensive failure... NNadir Aug 2016 #3

I'm a strong supporter of alternative and renewable fuels, but hydrogen scares the hell out of me. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #2

Don't worry about it. People have been running this hydrogen scam for generations. NNadir Aug 2016 #4

Do you trust gasoline-powered cars? OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #9

That's why we LWolf Aug 2016 #5

"When produced using renewable energy" progressoid Aug 2016 #6

And it's even worse than that caraher Aug 2016 #7

Or maybe not OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #10

I don't see the immediate relevance to transportation, the subject of the OP caraher Aug 2016 #13

Relevance to the OP OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #14

Or maybe not OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #11

That 86% figure is pretty squirrely caraher Aug 2016 #12

Do other forms of recovered energy not count then? OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #15

Southeast Asia’s First Renewable Hydrogen-Based Energy Storage and Power Plant Awarded to Hydrogeni… OKIsItJustMe Aug 2016 #16

We're over 400 ppm of CO2 permanently and we're still focusing on this piddling... NNadir Aug 2016 #17

18 trillion watts (18 million megawatts) for a year = 570 exajoules, I think progree Aug 2016 #18

You are correct. In my anger at the stupidity of the post, I left out the "Mega" prefix... NNadir Aug 2016 #19

So in 30 years, hydrogen cars might be as cheap to drive as electric cars are today??? NickB79 Aug 2016 #8

Only if there are no improvements in battery storage technology over that 30 years.. mackdaddy Aug 2016 #20