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kristopher

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13. How do you suggest we impose that order on a dynamic economic entity?
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:59 PM
May 2017

It's all well and good to take a position that goes straight to the desired goal, but (especially when you're dealing with a massive piece of cultural infrastructure like the energy system) you have to integrate change into the existing economics and technology in a process that doesn't always follow the most obvious path.

So, how do you suggest we impose the sequencing you want on a dynamic economic entity? That's the point my questions are pointing to.

I've received a huge amount of grief here because too few people understand that the key element in this transition away from carbon is shifting from a strategy of least cost power provision oriented to the characteristics of baseload generation to one geared to filling in the cracks left by massive deployment of non-dispatchable renewables.

The bridge idea behind natural gas is that it shuts down the baseload plants and opens opportunity for the widespread deployment of renewables that results in achieving the dramatic price reductions we've been seeing over the past 10 years - reducing carbon emissions in the process.

What natural gas cannot do is compete on cost with ubiquitous solar and wind. As wind and solar technologies very soon become the least cost option everywhere those inexpensive-to-build natural gas plants will have a steadily decreasing role to play as they go from the baseload substitute role to the steadily declining one of dispatchable backstop for solar and wind.

The economic functionality of that process is an essential part of being on the most rapid path to elimination of carbon-e emissions.

Catering to the nuclear industry will ultimately result in more carbon emissions than their early retirement because it skews the economic forces that would otherwise propel the very, very achievable price declines in wind and solar that are required for actually ending carbon dependence.

Gallium arsenide based. There isn't enough gallium on the entire planet to make this useless... NNadir Apr 2017 #1
And he's back ccarrick Apr 2017 #2
Um...you know what? NNadir May 2017 #3
Well, you would definitely be the inside expert on liars. kristopher May 2017 #4
Pot and kettle ccarrick May 2017 #5
Meanwhile, even as solar and wind are inexorably declining in price kristopher May 2017 #6
The reality-based community ccarrick May 2017 #7
I'm no great fan of nuclear power but... OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #8
No blank check for outdated nukes ccarrick May 2017 #9
Well, the offshore wind projects are starting OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #10
As they build more renewables, then what obsolete generation will be turned off? kristopher May 2017 #11
I'm sorry? OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #12
How do you suggest we impose that order on a dynamic economic entity? kristopher May 2017 #13
What effect will the... NeoGreen May 2017 #14
Methane is another carbon emission and greenhouse gas, so, yes, it counts OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #15
That is pie-in-the-sky BS from the nuclear lobby. kristopher May 2017 #24
Hansen's proposed carbon fee would be a good start OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #16
In case you missed the headline - a carbon tax can't be passed kristopher May 2017 #17
Sophie Sez #1: You loaded 16 tons, what do you get? OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #18
I don't click thru on videos kristopher May 2017 #21
Too bad... so sad... OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #22
So you still can't actually engage on a point when it goes against your beliefs? kristopher May 2017 #23
Sophie Sez #2: "Obama Missed a Golden Opportunity but We Can Still Win!" OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #19
But it hasn't passed, has it? kristopher May 2017 #25
Sophie Sez #3: "$1000 for You A Better World for Your Children" OKIsItJustMe May 2017 #20
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