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hunter

(38,311 posts)
6. It's not good news, "A Huge Milestone," for the reason I explain.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 10:18 PM
Jun 2017

Natural gas is the preferred backup power source when the sun is not shining (which is most of the time), the wind is not blowing (which is most of the time) and the rain is not falling.

Ask Venezuela about the rain not falling... Most of their electrical generating capacity is hydro and when the rain didn't fall it further contributed to the destabilization of their entire economy, largely because they didn't have the political wherewithal and connections to quickly install fossil fuel plants, which are pretty much turn-key these days. (Write the check, hard currency please, and international corporations will quickly deliver a fossil fuel plant any size you like.) In Venezuela's case nobody was going to invest in fossil fuel plants when it wasn't clear they'd get paid.

Anyways, these days, solar and wind only further INCREASE dependence on nimble natural gas power stations and this is something WORSE than nuclear power. It's not something to be cheered.

And yes, there are things worse than nuclear power. Fossil fuels are one of those things. Fossil fuel use is increasing worldwide. Greenhouse gasses are increasing. The death toll and relocation costs of accidents like Chernobyl (about as bad as it gets) are small compared to the horrors of climate change. Refugee problems and environmental problems that are bad now are about to get a whole lot worse. That's fossil fuels doing that.


Explicitly or haplessly, the article you linked to is more natural gas blather. hunter Jun 2017 #1
Wow, Eko Jun 2017 #2
What you posted is not good. I posted actual numbers. hunter Jun 2017 #3
I was referring to nuclear. Eko Jun 2017 #5
It's not good news, "A Huge Milestone," for the reason I explain. hunter Jun 2017 #6
For some reason Eko Jun 2017 #7
I ask you this: Is it a good milestone or a worrisome milestone? hunter Jun 2017 #8
You just cant do it. Eko Jun 2017 #9
To be fair, the headline appears to imply that more renewables than nuclear is a good thing OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #10
Key word is Eko Jun 2017 #11
The lady doth protest too much, methinks OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #12
And if I posted an article Eko Jun 2017 #14
Your repeated claim was "Nothing in my post was anti nuclear." OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #20
My neo-Luddite self asked a question... hunter Jun 2017 #13
My eko self requested Eko Jun 2017 #15
What is that? Am I indifferent to nuclear power? hunter Jun 2017 #18
It was simple Eko Jun 2017 #19
Fine. You are pro-nuclear or indifferent. hunter Jul 2017 #29
Wow, doubling down. Eko Jul 2017 #30
Yep, doubling down. hunter Jul 2017 #31
Ohhhh, tripling down,,,,, Eko Jul 2017 #32
Nuclear waste, the worst of it, is problematic for a few hundred years. hunter Jul 2017 #34
And you Strawman me Eko Jul 2017 #35
What's your utopia? hunter Jul 2017 #36
..... Eko Jul 2017 #37
I asked you questions. You did not answer. hunter Jul 2017 #38
Then dont Eko Jul 2017 #39
I asked you to Eko Jul 2017 #40
So nothing? Eko Jul 2017 #33
The technical term for your stance is "hogwash". kristopher Jun 2017 #16
Hmmm... I don't think this is the first time... OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #4
Coal 2007 2,016,456GWh /// Coal 2016 1,240,108 kristopher Jun 2017 #17
Right OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #21
Right. Your number lacks context, has zip value in determining causation or correlation kristopher Jun 2017 #22
It's as valuable as the numbers around which the article was written OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #23
No it isn't. kristopher Jun 2017 #24
That cause being? OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #25
You imply the relationship between renewable & nuclear is causing coal to rise. kristopher Jun 2017 #26
You assume, ignoring evidence to the contrary. OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #27
Riiiight.... kristopher Jun 2017 #28
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