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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
16. The technical term for your stance is "hogwash".
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jun 2017

Each watt generated by natgas vs coal is at least a 60% reduction in carbon emissions.

Since that technology is mature and inexpensive...

Since that technology is compatible with a baseload system...

Since that technology *also* functionally meets the sliding need for dispatchable power as variable renewable penetration increases its penetration...

And since that technology can remain economically viable as it's level of used decreases proportionate to increased renewable penetration....

It is idiotic to argue that, displacing coal with natural gas is a bad step at this point and time.

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China Is About to Bury Elon Musk in Batteries
Factories are adding enough capacity to power the equivalent of nearly 1.5 million Model S vehicles



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-28/china-is-about-to-bury-elon-musk-in-batteries

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South Korea scraps plants, signals shift from nuclear energy

South Korea, one of the world's largest nuclear electricity producers, will scrap plans to add nuclear power plants, its president said Monday, signaling a shift in decades of reliance on nuclear energy.

President Moon Jae-in said South Korea will move away from nuclear energy and will not seek to extend the life of existing plants.

He also vowed to cut South Korea's reliance on coal. South Korea will shut 10 old coal power plants and stop building more coal power plants.

"So far South Korea's energy policy pursued cheap prices and efficiency. Cheap production prices were considered the priority while the public's life and safety took a backseat," Moon said at a ceremony marking the shutdown of the country's oldest power plant, Kori 1, in Busan, home to South Korea's largest cluster of nuclear power plants.

"But it's time for a change."

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/south-korea-scrap-building-nuclear-power-plants-48124775

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Hinkley Point C: watchdog confirms fears of political vanity project

NAO report condemns ‘risky and expensive’ nuclear project that went ahead despite the economic case crumbling

he National Audit Office does not use excitable phrases like “utter shambles.” But the spending watchdog’s verdict on Hinkley Point C, the nuclear power plant in Somerset that is supposedly inevitable, amounts to the same thing. The government “has locked consumers into a risky and expensive project with uncertain strategic and economic benefits”.

The 80-page report confirms one’s worst fears about how ministers fell in love with Hinkley. First, they wedded themselves to an inflexible financial model. Then they agreed commercial terms with developer EDF in 2013, when energy prices were sky-high, and ploughed on regardless when the economic case for Hinkley started to crumble.

The first error is the easier to understand. Ministers followed a standard model in which the developer bears the construction risks in return for a state guarantee on the price of the electricity eventually produced. But Hinkley, scheduled to provide 7% of the nation’s electricity, was never a normal project. It is bigger than anything ever seen before and the price guarantee – to be funded via consumers’ bills – extends over 35 years....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/nils-pratley-on-finance/2017/jun/23/hinkley-point-c-nuclear-energy-risky-expensive-national-audit-office


Explicitly or haplessly, the article you linked to is more natural gas blather. hunter Jun 2017 #1
Wow, Eko Jun 2017 #2
What you posted is not good. I posted actual numbers. hunter Jun 2017 #3
I was referring to nuclear. Eko Jun 2017 #5
It's not good news, "A Huge Milestone," for the reason I explain. hunter Jun 2017 #6
For some reason Eko Jun 2017 #7
I ask you this: Is it a good milestone or a worrisome milestone? hunter Jun 2017 #8
You just cant do it. Eko Jun 2017 #9
To be fair, the headline appears to imply that more renewables than nuclear is a good thing OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #10
Key word is Eko Jun 2017 #11
The lady doth protest too much, methinks OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #12
And if I posted an article Eko Jun 2017 #14
Your repeated claim was "Nothing in my post was anti nuclear." OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #20
My neo-Luddite self asked a question... hunter Jun 2017 #13
My eko self requested Eko Jun 2017 #15
What is that? Am I indifferent to nuclear power? hunter Jun 2017 #18
It was simple Eko Jun 2017 #19
Fine. You are pro-nuclear or indifferent. hunter Jul 2017 #29
Wow, doubling down. Eko Jul 2017 #30
Yep, doubling down. hunter Jul 2017 #31
Ohhhh, tripling down,,,,, Eko Jul 2017 #32
Nuclear waste, the worst of it, is problematic for a few hundred years. hunter Jul 2017 #34
And you Strawman me Eko Jul 2017 #35
What's your utopia? hunter Jul 2017 #36
..... Eko Jul 2017 #37
I asked you questions. You did not answer. hunter Jul 2017 #38
Then dont Eko Jul 2017 #39
I asked you to Eko Jul 2017 #40
So nothing? Eko Jul 2017 #33
The technical term for your stance is "hogwash". kristopher Jun 2017 #16
Hmmm... I don't think this is the first time... OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #4
Coal 2007 2,016,456GWh /// Coal 2016 1,240,108 kristopher Jun 2017 #17
Right OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #21
Right. Your number lacks context, has zip value in determining causation or correlation kristopher Jun 2017 #22
It's as valuable as the numbers around which the article was written OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #23
No it isn't. kristopher Jun 2017 #24
That cause being? OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #25
You imply the relationship between renewable & nuclear is causing coal to rise. kristopher Jun 2017 #26
You assume, ignoring evidence to the contrary. OKIsItJustMe Jun 2017 #27
Riiiight.... kristopher Jun 2017 #28
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