Vicious words mark the war between pro and anti-nuclear environmentalists

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2. Disappointed at Monbiot, but this sentence in reply said it all for me:

'Describing Monbiot's email as "patronising", he waited a few days and then wrote back with a series of points that the pro-nukers have not so far addressed - like the assertion that the technology demands a stable and continuous technocratic society to exist for centuries, and entrenches power in the hands of a state-protected, unaccountable and ruthless elite.' - Theo Simon.


The bigger issue is mankind's current love affair with technology, no matter what its cost to other humans, such as those being exploited manufacturing and dying horribly in third world facilities, with no rights, no respect for their bodies, their very lives. The continuation of this system leads to a social system of castes, and it will not be confined to those the first world may see as expendable now.

Those who mindlessly and viciously support the technocracy, deny the harm to the environment in many ways, the wealth chasm from all of this. At least they do to the faces of their fellows in the first world, but most likely know exactly what they're doing and simply are looking to their own wealth and power.

Some who adore all things shiny and new are working on the assumption that they will continue to live at the top of the social heap. They are also propagandizing the masses to accept this unjust technocracy, a very Brave New World organization of humanity, without an free will, destined to be nothing more than tools for a social machine with only these physical values, that we seem to be hurdling toward with a large helping of 1984-style overt brutality inflicted on humans and everything else, to the level it is obscene.

As we see from the Libertarians and Randians, who Monbiot eviscerated in the past, they are determined and unashamed in their quest, and like Michio Kaku, some believe it is worth any amount of slaughter to obtain their immortality in mechanical bodies.

It was for something similar that I broke from Marxists in a classroom debate in the past, whey they asserted that the native american way of life and even them, had to be eliminated, so that the stages of social evolution could take place. That wouldn't do for me.

No, I possess a broader conception of what would have been possible had the settling of the Americans been done differently than it was. And what this world and its people could be, instead of this deadly model.

But to all of this, this transformation of this planet into a grid what would as the technocrats want, build an artificial intelligence field, which is sold to us in so many ways in media, institutions of higher learning and employment, many of us might very well ask:

Why is this is so essential, that it must be done without a fair debate? To what purpose? And for whose gain, would you destroy the life carrying capacity of the planet that gave us everything? Are you nothing more than a locusts, devouring everything and then intending to move onto other planets or realms, with no regard for what you have done?

Anyway, thanks for the thread. Interesting.