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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
22. To repeat for comparison
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 06:03 PM
Apr 2012

This is drawn from the NAS prepared document called a "Report in Brief" where they explain the important findings from a larger paper. In this case it is the paper, "Electricity from Renewable Sources Status, Prospects, and Impediments" This is is a more detailed accounting of the actual information Pam overly misrepresented in the beginning and continues above to miscast even now in order to defend and promote nuclear power.

You can download this paper and many more for free by googling the "national academy press" and registering.


There is no 2004 report as the project was launched in 2007. The 2009 report doesn't make any recommendation couched in the "should" language you present, nor do the numbers you've offered reflect the potential they see in the relevant technologies.

Pegging current US consumption at 4,000TWH they tell us that deploying existing energy efficiency technologies is our "nearest-term and lowest-cost option for moderating our nation’s demand for energy", and that accelerated "deployment of these technologies in the buildings, transportation, and industrial sectors could reduce energy use by about 15 percent (15–17 quads, that is, quadrillions of British thermal units) in 2020, relative to the EIA’s “business as usual” reference case projection, and by about 30 percent (32–35 quads) in 2030 (U.S. energy consumption in 2007 was about 100 quads)."

They state that more aggressive policies and incentives would produce more results and that most of the "energy efficiency technologies are cost-effective now and are likely to continue to be competitive with any future energy-supply options; moreover, additional energy efficiency technologies continue to emerge."

The authors offer that renewable energy sources "could provide about an additional 500 TWh (500 trillion kilowatt-hours) of electricity per year by 2020 and about an additional 1100 TWh per year by 2035 through new deployments."

They are less optimistic about increased contributions from nuclear plants writing that they might provide an additional 160 TWh of electricity per year by 2020, and up to 850 TWh by 2035, by modifying current plants to increase their power output and by constructing new plants." However they are very specific with warnings that nuclear powers economics for Gen3 plants are significantly worse than predicted by the 2003 MIT nuclear study. They further opine that failure to prove the economic viability of at least 5 merchant plants by 2020 (it used to be 2010) would probably rule out nuclear as a viable option going forward.

Since the report was penned we have seen a complete collapse of the very idea that US merchant reactors are even possible and the likelihood is that few, if any, new plants will actually be built. If any ARE built it is extremely unlikely that they will be able to demonstrate the economic viability that is called for in the Report. This means that if their caveat about proof of concept is accurate, new nuclear is unlikely to play any significant role in carbon reduction in the US.


Originally posted at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x275881#276952
No brainer PamW Apr 2012 #1
Safety isn't the only area where nuclear is subject to regulation Pam kristopher Apr 2012 #2
Because a power plant runs it is preventing the construction of other power plants? zeaper Apr 2012 #3
And doesn't even sell power to the state? FBaggins Apr 2012 #4
Where is that argument made? kristopher Apr 2012 #5
It's right in your post. FBaggins Apr 2012 #6
That is no where in my post kristopher Apr 2012 #7
I'm impressed that you're tri-lingual FBaggins Apr 2012 #8
They can reject a renewal of the time limited permission to operate. kristopher Apr 2012 #9
You missed the fact that the court ruled otherwise, eh? FBaggins Apr 2012 #10
Nope. kristopher Apr 2012 #12
Let's take these arguments apart one by one PamW Apr 2012 #14
. XemaSab Apr 2012 #11
WRONG AS ALWAYS!! PamW Apr 2012 #13
We'll see how familiar you are with the nature of regulation kristopher Apr 2012 #15
Undestandable PamW Apr 2012 #16
"By his own admission in his posts" kristopher Apr 2012 #17
For the record... PamW Apr 2012 #18
That is a very distorted view of events kristopher Apr 2012 #19
National Academy of Sciences. PamW Apr 2012 #20
NAS put it stronger PamW Apr 2012 #21
To repeat for comparison kristopher Apr 2012 #22
LIES, LIES, and more LIES PamW Apr 2012 #23
I said this "project" began in 2007, Pam. And it did. kristopher Apr 2012 #24
GO TO THE LIBRARY! PamW Apr 2012 #25
All of the papers produced are listed at the National Academy Press kristopher Apr 2012 #26
NOPE!!! PamW Apr 2012 #27
Links proving your statement false kristopher Apr 2012 #28
DIVERSION!!! PamW Apr 2012 #29
The paper you claim to have been citing STILL doesn't exist. kristopher Apr 2012 #30
PUT UP or SHUT UP!!! PamW Apr 2012 #31
I showed where you have knowingly made a long list of false claims kristopher Apr 2012 #32
I KNEW IT - a COMPLETE DODGE!!! PamW Apr 2012 #33
Where is the reference Pam? kristopher Apr 2012 #34
Not a single exchange PamW Apr 2012 #35
Sure it is. kristopher Apr 2012 #36
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