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Wed Mar 11, 2020, 04:42 PM

5. Many components of fracked natural gas waste have a half life of forever.

Not enough care is taken to insure these toxic wastes are kept out of fresh water supplies.

The volume of these toxic wastes far exceeds the volume of nuclear waste, especially in comparison to the amount of energy generated. That's enough reason to reject natural gas even if we disregard the dangers of greenhouse gasses.

There is enough natural gas in the ground to destroy the world's environment as we know it. It's best we leave it in the ground.

The problem with wind and solar power is that the wind doesn't always blow, and the sun doesn't always shine.

Currently the only economical solution is to burn fossil fuels to pick up the slack. (Giant pumped hydro projects are another possibility but those too have their own very damaging environmental footprints.)

We have to examine the entire energy mix. Even if an economy is getting sixty percent of its energy from wind and solar (which no modern economy has achieved) fossil fuels are still far, far worse than nuclear power, even considering occasional accidents.

Small nuclear power reactors would undoubtedly be clustered, sharing security and operators. One major advantage is that small nuclear reactors could be mass-produced and delivered on site in a way that one-off multi-gigawatt plants with huge reactor vessels cannot be.

The solution to the greenhouse gas problem is to ban fossil fuels on some reasonable time scale and see how it all shakes out. Some cultures will accept nuclear power, others won't. Even those that don't will probably be unwilling to live in societies that reject all the benefits of high energy industrial economies. They'll import goods and synthetic fuels manufactured with nuclear power.

If we continue to use fossil fuels the first world civilization in human history will inevitably collapse. Our world economy, which everyone reading democraticunderground participates in, is a very brittle thing.

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