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kristopher

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35. So the answer is no, you have nothing to support your belief.
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 12:46 AM
Mar 2013

All of the experts specializing in a transition to a carbon free energy system disagree with you. We use fossils because the infrastructure is a legacy of what worked best in the past. We use nuclear because it fit into that centralized system and was seen as having the potential to augment the centralized system that depends on fossil fuels.
An energy system is composed of many elements and the way those elements work together define how the economics work. Renewables work together differently than centralized thermal. They are, in fact, able to produce a superior system because of its distributed nature, and this builds redundancy into the system to make it more reliable than one prone to cascade failures.
Contrary to your "all of the above" approach, it is wasteful in the extreme to pursue ineffective solutions, such as nuclear or coal with CCS. That view is a result of nothing more than political kowtowing to the established powers in the energy field and it simply isn't true.

Renewables are right now shutting down centralized power generation. If you look at the proposals for companies seeking to build nuclear, you'll find they the plan to expand coal along with building nuclear. Nuclear reenforces the economics that support coal - renewables destroy those economics and replaces them with a system of local control over energy supplies.



Duke CEO confirms threat renewables pose to their business model
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112737600

It's going to happen a lot sooner in Alaska Tempest Mar 2013 #1
It's already started. progressoid Mar 2013 #2
Where is that photo from? davidthegnome Mar 2013 #5
The license plate is yellow Bainbridge Bear Mar 2013 #9
It is Alaska Tempest Mar 2013 #32
That one is from Alaska. Siberia is also showing the effects of melting "perma"frost. progressoid Mar 2013 #15
You may have meant dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #17
Doh! progressoid Mar 2013 #19
Thanks. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #25
If they predict 2050 Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #3
Agree. wtmusic Mar 2013 #4
Glad I'll be dead Pharaoh Mar 2013 #6
I know what you mean. I've said "I'm glad I'm old" to myself about a hundred times in the past Nay Mar 2013 #50
Is there REALLY anything we can do? Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #7
yes, we can do something RILib Mar 2013 #16
Obama/Whitehouse RILib Mar 2013 #18
Gops in Congress stopped the President...eom Kolesar Mar 2013 #26
what was that again? RILib Mar 2013 #45
Mr Obtuse just started researching the issue yesterday...eom Kolesar Mar 2013 #47
You made one minor error Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #27
Do you have anything except your opinion to support that? kristopher Mar 2013 #29
I do actually Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #33
So the answer is no, you have nothing to support your belief. kristopher Mar 2013 #35
Renewables are below 5%, so clearly these experts are wrong Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #37
You use no data and poor reasoning to support your position kristopher Mar 2013 #43
When we're grabbing for nuclear-- Who is 'We'? cprise Mar 2013 #36
I believe I said in my original post (on this topic) Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #38
So you think the US govt should own and operate Iran's power plants? n/t cprise Mar 2013 #57
I was talking about America. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #58
Government can't do it any better kristopher Mar 2013 #60
Yeah, you are probably correct about that (cont) Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #61
That means your definition of "safe" is flawed. kristopher Mar 2013 #62
Clearly. n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #63
There are nuclear power plants under construction now that will never be finished. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #51
One assessment says that if we built a nuclear plant every week wtmusic Mar 2013 #39
So build two a week :) Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #40
That could be done, too. wtmusic Mar 2013 #41
Renewables are faster, safer and cheaper kristopher Mar 2013 #44
1700 1GWe reactors only equals 1/3 of global electric supply kristopher Mar 2013 #46
Thank you. Excellent post. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #48
No one seriously uses LWRs in these scenerios. joshcryer Mar 2013 #56
What source can you point to that validates your statement regarding the need for nuclear? kristopher Mar 2013 #31
See my post above yours n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #34
Yes, there are things we COULD do, but our political-economic system will probably prevent action DLnyc Mar 2013 #21
Setting all that aside... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #28
You aren't paying attention... kristopher Mar 2013 #30
But Janitor Jesus will return to clean up our mess and make a paradise Motown_Johnny Mar 2013 #8
and that is why they do nothing sadly glinda Mar 2013 #11
I'll likely be gone by then, but my boyfriend will be in the prime of his life MNBrewer Mar 2013 #10
I know what you mean. I will most likely be gone by then but I am worried about the grandkids. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #14
Like an SF novel, minus the entertainment. nt caseymoz Mar 2013 #12
k&r nt limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #13
2050? XemaSab Mar 2013 #20
The IPCC made some predictions in 1990 that were early wtmusic Mar 2013 #22
Uh . . . . hatrack Mar 2013 #49
Referring to global temperature. wtmusic Mar 2013 #52
I'm not referring to global temperature averages, or to IPCC's past perceived failures hatrack Mar 2013 #53
Thanks. joshcryer Mar 2013 #55
That is one bloody scary graph... truebrit71 Mar 2013 #59
Is your thinking then... davidthegnome Mar 2013 #23
It's ALWAYS XemaSab Mar 2013 #24
+1000! FirstLight Mar 2013 #42
+1 joshcryer Mar 2013 #54
The Permafrost Gun is Already smoking, ... CRH Mar 2013 #64
+1 kristopher Mar 2013 #65
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