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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
20. Excellent point.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:21 AM
Jun 2013

At the heart of the two competing systems (centralized vs distributed), lie two competing concepts of growth. The economic and social models associated with centralized generation both serve to drive increased consumption. With distributed generation, where the costs and limits of production are directly observable to the end user, it goes in exactly the other direction.

I think it is economics that are working to make this paragraph true, so I would phrase that just a bit differently, but nonetheless, your words speaking to the barriers deserve repeating:

"It is not an economic issue. it is not a technology issue. We are approaching the point of no-brainer on both those fronts. It is now "just" a political issue. The old dirty/dangerous energy barons don't give up their position easily. That's where we are today. But this is one change that really is happening and will be irreversible by the time Obama leaves office."
This is just silly. wtmusic Jun 2013 #1
Answer me two questions BlueStreak Jun 2013 #3
I think your implication is that wind and solar will continue their current rate of growth wtmusic Jun 2013 #4
They can expand 1000-fold before hitting any real barriers BlueStreak Jun 2013 #5
A concentrated deployment of wind turbines will never, ever, ever supply 100% of needs. wtmusic Jun 2013 #6
You didn't provide any evidence that wind ower cannot scale up BlueStreak Jun 2013 #7
Peak demand happens at about 7:30 PM wtmusic Jun 2013 #8
Do you understand that electricity is fungible? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #9
Half of the units are stopped because they're either broken, or the wind isn't blowing. wtmusic Jun 2013 #12
That just isn't true BlueStreak Jun 2013 #13
OK, points taken. wtmusic Jun 2013 #14
Fair enough. I agree with you in principle BlueStreak Jun 2013 #16
She didn't provide evidence because there is no evidence. kristopher Jun 2013 #17
Very interesting references BlueStreak Jun 2013 #18
Define "too much capacity" kristopher Jun 2013 #19
People who invest in turbines need to have a reasonable expectation of profits BlueStreak Jun 2013 #21
Quick somebody buy it so it can be shelved for 100 years. nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #2
2016 renewables will be 2X nuclear, also exceeding natgas kristopher Jun 2013 #10
After Record 2012, World Wind Power Set to Top 300,000 Megawatts (300GW) in 2013 kristopher Jun 2013 #11
It really is transformational, and hardly anybody talks about it. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #15
Excellent point. kristopher Jun 2013 #20
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