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PamW

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12. Why didn't Japan build their own airliners instead of buying from Boeing / Airbus?
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:04 PM
Oct 2013

kris,

Why didn't Japan build their own airliners instead of buying from Boeing / Airbus.

Because Japan didn't build their own airliners; does that mean that Japanese engineers are no good? Of course not. Countries do LOTS of things for different reasons; and you can't draw conclusions from those.

Monju was NOT an IFR. It superficially may resemble one; but is not; any more than a Cessna 172 is not a Boeing 777 just because they both have wings.

I don't see how you can call what Dr. Till is saying as "hype". Argonne demonstrated the technology. As Dr. Till stated; Argonne built the prototype Integral Fast Reactor at their site in Idaho; and they placed it through the accident scenarios that Dr. Till explained. The prototype reactor passed the test. The Laws of Physics don't "hype". If an IFR reactor in Idaho passes the test; then an identical reactor in California, or Japan, or where ever will pass the same test.

Argonne also built the reprocessing facilities at Idaho also for reprocessing fuel from the IFR prototype. Again, if it works in Idaho, it will work anywhere else.

Unless Japan licensed the technology from the USA; they'd have to develop it themselves, and didn't. They continued to license the BWR design from GE. I can't draw conclusion as to what reasoning was going on in their heads.

However, I can't ( and I don't think any one else can ) make conclusions as to why the Japanese didn't embark on a research program along the lines of the IFR program and just kept buying GE BWRs; any more than I can conclude why they didn't design / manufacture their own airliners as opposed to buying from Boeing or Airbus.

Do you have any evidence that Dr. Till or I are withholding information as to the complexity of IFR? Dr. Till and I can point to the tests that the IFR passed? Do you know of a test done on the IFR prototype in Idaho that melted down and we or somebody hid that information?

As a scientist, with the list of degrees and the certification of specialize knowledge in the field; I see the IFR technology as less problematic than you do.

I also see problems with the alternatives that you propose. I realize, as does the National Academy of Science; that generators have to "load follow", they have to "track" the load. That means one needs a way to "throttle" the generators. I don't know how to tell Mother Nature to make the wind blow harder or to make the sun shine brighter. I see problems with what you propose that are WAY, WAY beyond any problems with IFR technology.

Again, what engineering degrees do you have to support the conclusion you are drawing?

The good thing about science is that it is true, whether or not you believe in it.
--Neil deGrasse Tyson

PamW

Looks to me like madokie Oct 2013 #1
It doesn't have to be a problem for future generations... PamW Oct 2013 #2
Wonder why Japan didn't follow that path? kristopher Oct 2013 #10
Why didn't Japan build their own airliners instead of buying from Boeing / Airbus? PamW Oct 2013 #12
The question was why hasn't ANYONE pursued the IFR if it is so superior? kristopher Oct 2013 #13
The name is Pam!! PamW Oct 2013 #17
Nope kristopher Oct 2013 #18
WRONG! PamW Oct 2013 #19
I value the most effective means of reducing carbon emissions. kristopher Oct 2013 #20
WRONG, as per usual PamW Oct 2013 #21
No, Greg, you are wrong - again. kristopher Oct 2013 #22
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! 100% WRONG!!! both the name and substance PamW Oct 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PamW Oct 2013 #3
In a world with static or declining energy demand this might be true GliderGuider Oct 2013 #4
Lets not get too carried away here madokie Oct 2013 #5
Agreed. I just wanted to get the idea out there, and this was as good a place as any. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #6
happy to be able to oblige madokie Oct 2013 #7
More of your hypothetical bullpucky kristopher Oct 2013 #8
I used 30 year averages to ensure that I wasn't mistaking noise for trend. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #9
No, you used 30 years to fudge the numbers kristopher Oct 2013 #11
Actually, I didn't. Here's the graphic proof of what I'm saying GliderGuider Oct 2013 #14
The picture has already changed. kristopher Oct 2013 #15
Not according to the data I have GliderGuider Oct 2013 #16
You're pointing your camera in the wrong direction kristopher Oct 2013 #23
At least you've stopped trying to beat us to death with Mark Z. Jacobsen... GliderGuider Oct 2013 #24
You stopped making the specific claims that Jacobson refuted. kristopher Oct 2013 #25
You can attribute whatever you wish. It's your belief system. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #26
Memo to sceptics of a low-carbon world – 'it's happening' kristopher Oct 2013 #27
What do Portugal's cars run on? What heats their homes? GliderGuider Oct 2013 #28
Tougher nuts to crack? kristopher Oct 2013 #29
I know that's the renewable dream, and that RMI are the head dreamers. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #30
It was abundantly clear you haven't got a clue... kristopher Oct 2013 #31
I call it "refining my understanding of the situation" GliderGuider Oct 2013 #32
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