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GliderGuider

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14. Actually, I didn't. Here's the graphic proof of what I'm saying
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:50 PM
Oct 2013


This graph is derived from the BP data set that I normally use. The original figures are all consumption in mtoe, so capacity factors are taken out of the picture for all sources. Just the consumed energy is counted.
  • The black line shows the year over year (yoy) growth in primary energy.
  • The red line is the portion of the primary energy growth that came from fossil fuels (oil, gas and coal) .
  • The green line is the portion of the primary energy growth that came from non-fossil sources (nuclear, hydro and renewables).
  • The red plus the green line equals the black line.
The problem I'm pointing to is that that low-carbon sources over this 22 year period provided on average just one sixth of the total yoy growth in primary energy (0.3%). The most they ever contributed was 0.7%. Fossil fuel averaged 5 times the low-carbon contribution to the growth of primary energy, with a max of 5%. As you can see from the non-averaged plots, all energy demand growth over about 0.5% has been fulfilled by fossil fuels.

I don't know what will happen in the future, but this is what the last 22 years have looked like. I know you expect this picture to change radically very soon, but I don't. I see an energy and economic environment that has a lot of inertia due to its current size. As long as the economy keeps demanding more energy growth than renewables can fulfill, they will never, ever catch up. That means that for the foreseeable future, unless there is a global economic crash, CO2 levels will keep rising.
Looks to me like madokie Oct 2013 #1
It doesn't have to be a problem for future generations... PamW Oct 2013 #2
Wonder why Japan didn't follow that path? kristopher Oct 2013 #10
Why didn't Japan build their own airliners instead of buying from Boeing / Airbus? PamW Oct 2013 #12
The question was why hasn't ANYONE pursued the IFR if it is so superior? kristopher Oct 2013 #13
The name is Pam!! PamW Oct 2013 #17
Nope kristopher Oct 2013 #18
WRONG! PamW Oct 2013 #19
I value the most effective means of reducing carbon emissions. kristopher Oct 2013 #20
WRONG, as per usual PamW Oct 2013 #21
No, Greg, you are wrong - again. kristopher Oct 2013 #22
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! 100% WRONG!!! both the name and substance PamW Oct 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PamW Oct 2013 #3
In a world with static or declining energy demand this might be true GliderGuider Oct 2013 #4
Lets not get too carried away here madokie Oct 2013 #5
Agreed. I just wanted to get the idea out there, and this was as good a place as any. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #6
happy to be able to oblige madokie Oct 2013 #7
More of your hypothetical bullpucky kristopher Oct 2013 #8
I used 30 year averages to ensure that I wasn't mistaking noise for trend. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #9
No, you used 30 years to fudge the numbers kristopher Oct 2013 #11
Actually, I didn't. Here's the graphic proof of what I'm saying GliderGuider Oct 2013 #14
The picture has already changed. kristopher Oct 2013 #15
Not according to the data I have GliderGuider Oct 2013 #16
You're pointing your camera in the wrong direction kristopher Oct 2013 #23
At least you've stopped trying to beat us to death with Mark Z. Jacobsen... GliderGuider Oct 2013 #24
You stopped making the specific claims that Jacobson refuted. kristopher Oct 2013 #25
You can attribute whatever you wish. It's your belief system. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #26
Memo to sceptics of a low-carbon world – 'it's happening' kristopher Oct 2013 #27
What do Portugal's cars run on? What heats their homes? GliderGuider Oct 2013 #28
Tougher nuts to crack? kristopher Oct 2013 #29
I know that's the renewable dream, and that RMI are the head dreamers. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #30
It was abundantly clear you haven't got a clue... kristopher Oct 2013 #31
I call it "refining my understanding of the situation" GliderGuider Oct 2013 #32
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