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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. Not according to the data I have
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 10:50 PM
Oct 2013

The last 6 years of energy growth look like this:



In that time:

  • Low-carbon energy added 198 mtoe of consumption, or 1.8% of the world's primary energy consumption in 2007.
  • Fossil fuel energy added 991 mtoe of consumption, or 8.8% of the world's primary energy consumption in 2007.
The whole point of ramping up renewables is to make a difference to CO2 emissions. I just don't see how that can happen at this point, short of a global economic crash. Unless there is a crash, it looks to me as though fossil fuels are going to use their head start, massive installed base and easy availability to stay in the lead. As long as they remain available, somebody is going to use them, meaning that the situation will stay additive instead of displacive - at least until some sort of crisis changes the game.

The key to understanding this perspective is that the global economy represents global energy consumption. As long as economic growth is required, more energy has to be used. Energy consumption growth happens on top of the base of what's already being used. So long as the amount of renewable energy available falls short of the amount required for economic growth, fossil fuels will be used to close the gap - as well as to fuel the economic performance they fueled in the previous year. It can be no other way.

It's a Red Queen's race.

Looks to me like madokie Oct 2013 #1
It doesn't have to be a problem for future generations... PamW Oct 2013 #2
Wonder why Japan didn't follow that path? kristopher Oct 2013 #10
Why didn't Japan build their own airliners instead of buying from Boeing / Airbus? PamW Oct 2013 #12
The question was why hasn't ANYONE pursued the IFR if it is so superior? kristopher Oct 2013 #13
The name is Pam!! PamW Oct 2013 #17
Nope kristopher Oct 2013 #18
WRONG! PamW Oct 2013 #19
I value the most effective means of reducing carbon emissions. kristopher Oct 2013 #20
WRONG, as per usual PamW Oct 2013 #21
No, Greg, you are wrong - again. kristopher Oct 2013 #22
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! 100% WRONG!!! both the name and substance PamW Oct 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PamW Oct 2013 #3
In a world with static or declining energy demand this might be true GliderGuider Oct 2013 #4
Lets not get too carried away here madokie Oct 2013 #5
Agreed. I just wanted to get the idea out there, and this was as good a place as any. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #6
happy to be able to oblige madokie Oct 2013 #7
More of your hypothetical bullpucky kristopher Oct 2013 #8
I used 30 year averages to ensure that I wasn't mistaking noise for trend. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #9
No, you used 30 years to fudge the numbers kristopher Oct 2013 #11
Actually, I didn't. Here's the graphic proof of what I'm saying GliderGuider Oct 2013 #14
The picture has already changed. kristopher Oct 2013 #15
Not according to the data I have GliderGuider Oct 2013 #16
You're pointing your camera in the wrong direction kristopher Oct 2013 #23
At least you've stopped trying to beat us to death with Mark Z. Jacobsen... GliderGuider Oct 2013 #24
You stopped making the specific claims that Jacobson refuted. kristopher Oct 2013 #25
You can attribute whatever you wish. It's your belief system. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #26
Memo to sceptics of a low-carbon world – 'it's happening' kristopher Oct 2013 #27
What do Portugal's cars run on? What heats their homes? GliderGuider Oct 2013 #28
Tougher nuts to crack? kristopher Oct 2013 #29
I know that's the renewable dream, and that RMI are the head dreamers. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #30
It was abundantly clear you haven't got a clue... kristopher Oct 2013 #31
I call it "refining my understanding of the situation" GliderGuider Oct 2013 #32
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