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Sun Oct 13, 2013, 07:58 PM

28. Hopefully peak oil kicks in and saves the planet.

 

Now, peak is when the total amount of a carbon base energy source is about 1/2 depleted. The significance of peak carbon energy is sometime in the next 50 years we will hit it and the price of carbon fuel goes through the roof cutting its use.

The Planet can recover Carbon from the Atmosphere, but it takes decades and from the report on top of the highest point in Highway we have been putting more carbon into the atmosphere then the atmosphere can remove since at least the 1950s. The rapid increase in price will reduce carbon usage over time. The real question is how long?

Peak Oil: Oil discovery exceeded production till 1980, since 1980s we have pumped more oil then we have found new oil fields. The more traditional definition of peak production is for the period from 2005-2010. The range form 2005-2010 is based on how much faith you have in OPEC numbers, those who have no faith in those number use 2005, those who have faith in the numbers of the seven sisters, put it at 2010. People who believe in the numbers form OPEC thinks 2030.

Natural Gas:
Unlike Oil and Coal, Natural gas can be found below 20,000 feet (Oil is converted by the heat of the earth to Natural Gas if oil goes below 20,000 feet). Unlike oil and Natural gas, Coal was made from ancient forests on ancient shoreline or further inland. Such lands tend to have been be on Continental shelves and thus when continents hit each other OR over run Ocean bottoms, such land tends to stay in the upper regions of the earth. Natural Gas and oil are the product of ancient Algae what died out over shadow seas, and as such ancient seas more likely to go down when the land their are attached to interact with another continent. In simple terms, most coal, like all oil is located above 20,000 feet, the reasons are different, but anything to deep in Natural Gas only.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_gas


Peak Coal: Peak coal in terms of Energy was in 1997, but in tons of coal produced it has continued to increase. This is the result of replacing higher energy content Bituminous Coal with lower energy Lignite coal from the US West.

http://www.energywatchgroup.org/fileadmin/global/pdf/EWG_Report_Coal_10-07-2007ms.pdf

Peak coal is estimated 2150, but that is considered a very optimistic figure, many other analysts give much earlier dates for every nation. Worse, getting at these coal reserves may require more energy then the coal itself can produced, i.e.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_coal

http://www.energywatchgroup.org/fileadmin/global/pdf/EWG_Report_Coal_10-07-2007ms.pdf

Thus, peak actual production of carbon energy may incur well before the planet gets to hot. The numbers are up in the air, peak carbon production may NOT occur within the next 20 years, but I have more faith in Peak Carbon Energy then anything we do in terms of Government or Solar and wind power.

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