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Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:43 AM

35. You might get it, Watch the West Antarctic Ice Sheet

 

The West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) is called the Godzilla of Global warming. It is capable (and appears to have done so just before the start of the last Ice Age) to have collapsed. Within a month, world wide sea levels would raise 20 feet. This would flood most refineries, which tend to be on the coasts (This includes the refineries in New Jersey as while as Texas).

The West Coast refineries tend to be located on higher ground, mostly do to the fact the North American Plate is overriding the Pacific Ocean plate and thus at the coast you have a rapid increase in height from the coast (as compared to Texas the the East Coast which tends to have a much more gradual increase in attitude as you go from the coast.

Other refineries around the world tend to have the same problem, with exception of Russia, which tended to build their refineries closer to their Siberian Oil Fields as oppose to being on the coast (mostly due to lack of coastal areas in Russia that is Ice Free most of the year).

Iran would be another exception, but the Shah refused to build refineries and since the 1989 revolution the hostility of the US to the Iranian Government has kept the number of refineries in Iran low (so low that Iran has to import most REFINED oil products, as they export crude oil).

Kuwait had massive refineries, but within the 20 feet increase in sea level danger (unlike Iran, its coast line is gradual).

I know you understand that 20 feet in sea level raise means 20 feet in HEIGHT, not LENGTH, but the following paragraph is for people who do NOT understand that difference (and other people other then you may read this thread and thus I have to do the following paragraph).

Remember, we are talking about increase in sea level HEIGHT, not LENGTH. A 20 feet increase in HEIGHT can be miles in terms of LENGTH (Classic case is look at the following map for Florida). In most of the world, we may lost up to a mile from the coast. Much less on the West Coast. Also remember the following map is using 7 meters, which is about 20 feet. I will NOT do an exact calculation for the error in the estimate of sea level raise exceeds the error in using 20 feet for 7 meters.

http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/

A seven meter raise does not look that bad, but it will have serious affect on refineries on the coast, ports along the coasts and even off shore oil platforms (even the floating ones are NOT designed for that much of a PERMANENT increase in sea level and thus will have to be rebuilt). Such an rapid increase in sea level no one is planning for, for to do so would mean major rebuilding of infrastructure. On the other hand, lack of such infrastructure would lead to a rapid decline in international trade, as first REFINED oil goes into shortage do to a lack of refineries and then all other trade dies do to a lack of oil AND ports such trade need.

Think about it, no oil (and what oil that will be avalible will be restricted to emergenchy services OR so high in price that no one could afford it). Most Coal mining today is dependent on oil, thus coal mining will fall (as will Natural Gas drilling). That is enough t through the whole world into economic collaspe, and I do NOT see either President Obama OR the Congress of the US being able to handle it (and the Military will stay out, for it would not be able to handle the situation either).

The WAIS is unstable, but has been unstable since the Collapse of the North American Ice Sheet 10,000 years ago. No gradual change if it goes, you would have a rapid change, almost over night.

More on the WAIS and its potential to collapse:
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/

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