Environment & Energy

kristopher

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10. No scientist would pervert a study like you have here.

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 01:48 AM

Oct 2013

"No less than the National Academy of Science states that we can count on renewables for no more than about 20% of our electric production."

As you well know, that is simply untrue. The (now outdated) NAS study states that there are no recognized barriers to a penetration of up to about 20% renewables, but to move beyond and up to penetrations of about 50% would probably require specific policies that are friendlier to renewables than is currently the general norm.
ABOVE 50% they predict a need to restructure the grid in a fashion that places pre-emimence on the way variable generation is managed - ie, more storage and deployment of 'smart grid' technologies.

At no point do they EVER state we can "count on renewables for no more than 20% of our electric production".

No ethical person would make that statement about that report.

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Wonderful. Cleita Oct 2013 #1

Some governments see things in perspective.. PamW Oct 2013 #2

Find another way to boil water. wundermaus Oct 2013 #3

I'll let a scientist tell you what the problem is... PamW Oct 2013 #4

And I'll Let Max Planck rebut: Demeter Oct 2013 #5

You mean we have to let a generation of environmentalists die out? PamW Oct 2013 #6

NO, I mean we have to let a generation of nuclear sell-outs die off Demeter Oct 2013 #7

Sweetheart deal on price controls FogerRox Oct 2013 #8

£92.50 is the level they've set muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #11

The prediction for gas when the plant comes online is £74 FBaggins Oct 2013 #18

That's a sweetheart deal? FBaggins Oct 2013 #19

It's a lot less than offshore wind is getting Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #22

Then the analogy doesn't hold.... PamW Oct 2013 #9

No scientist would pervert a study like you have here. kristopher Oct 2013 #10

WRONG! PamW Oct 2013 #12

The credentials required are English language comprehension caraher Oct 2013 #14

WRONG too!! PamW Oct 2013 #15

Specifically which laws of physics are being violated? caraher Oct 2013 #16

Conservation of Energy PamW Oct 2013 #17

20% is at most a rough limit with no grid upgrades and no storage caraher Oct 2013 #20

That's not "at most"... it's exactly what they're saying. FBaggins Oct 2013 #21

Try to find the 1992 National Academy Energy Study PamW Oct 2013 #24

Well said & well sourced. FogerRox Oct 2013 #26

Well said K. FogerRox Oct 2013 #27

So many assumptions... I am sad for you. wundermaus Oct 2013 #23

So is the Hindenberg PamW Oct 2013 #25

Look, the only way we can sustain modern industrial society without fossil fuels is nuclear power. hunter Oct 2013 #13