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Searay60

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38. Read The Paper Again
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:25 PM
Dec 2013

Its a load study nothing more. Power every now and then is not a viable option. Blackouts of the grid are the major requirement of design by FERC, NERC and DOE. If you do not mind power outages on a large scale every now and then this approach is great. I would also look at the author and where the paper was published. If the paper were a seminole work you would expect PSERC or IEEE as the published forum. The paper was rejected by the IEEE as nothing new. There have been many papers presented on this subject with the same or similar scope. The paper does not provide necessary information on numerical or simulation method required by pier review in the power standards industry.
The only available alternative to fossil or nuclear for grid stability is energy storage. Large amounts of energy storage and the ability to deliver (transmission lines) will be needed to consider the premise anything other than a theoretical exercise. Currently practical attempts to achieve what was presented in the paper have created major blackouts. ERCOT outage and the Spanish grid in 2009 are great examples. This paper is not a reference I would use since the scope does not provide the means need to achieve large integration only load matching.

I will give you a few sources that will illustrate the problems but system studies engineer in the industry learned understand what I am telling you from a formal education in Power Engineering. I have added a listing from a great text a book on power systems stability that has a great section on problems with current renewable controllers. I work with Solomon Yerga who was Kundor's grad student and put most of the book together. The good news is a lot of work is being performed in large scale renewable integration and the out look is doable if a new contolers and a transitional strategy can be worked out. My belief is grid storage on a large scale is a possible bridge. The control and protection systems currently sold simply can not keep the lights on as needed by our modern society.

http://www.amazon.com/System-Stability-Control-Prabha-Kundur/dp/007035958X
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5611140&queryText%3Drenewable+stability
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5666616&queryText%3Drenewable+stability
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6044370&queryText%3Drenewable+stability


http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5611140&queryText%3Drenewable+stability

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2013 #1
Nuclear makes it far more difficult kristopher Dec 2013 #2
National Renewable Energy Lab's 'Renewable Electricity Futures Study' kristopher Dec 2013 #3
"Our report became the basis of President Carter's energy policy." bananas Dec 2013 #4
I believe things are different today; take the of evaluation of the CEO of NRG kristopher Dec 2013 #5
BS alert here 4dsc Dec 2013 #6
Care to educate us? n/t cprise Dec 2013 #7
It's likely the same old spin FBaggins Dec 2013 #8
What is carbon "free" PamW Dec 2013 #9
So is making cement madokie Dec 2013 #13
I don't think that's it. kristopher Dec 2013 #10
I'll take your word for it. FBaggins Dec 2013 #11
No, I support a 'path' that is well documented as most effective kristopher Dec 2013 #12
Well documented by WHO? PamW Dec 2013 #14
We can start with posts #1 & #3. kristopher Dec 2013 #16
NO such thing has been established PamW Dec 2013 #18
No, I'm saying you aren't a scientist because you falsely report the results of research and data. kristopher Dec 2013 #19
My reporting is ACCURATE PamW Dec 2013 #20
ROFLMAO kristopher Dec 2013 #21
How do you come to the conclusion that everyone who doesn't agree with you madokie Dec 2013 #22
You misunderstand.. PamW Dec 2013 #23
Show me a link where I got it wrong madokie Dec 2013 #24
Good for the goose; good for the gander PamW Dec 2013 #25
Well the goose didn't find any links to back up your absurd statements madokie Dec 2013 #26
PamW you're always throwing around all this about how you're a scientist and all madokie Dec 2013 #27
Evidently madokie doesn't understand PamW Dec 2013 #28
LOL Sure you do madokie Dec 2013 #30
Yeah! You don't understand. kristopher Dec 2013 #29
The pseudo scientist has about wore me out madokie Dec 2013 #31
We can't all be geniuses... PamW Dec 2013 #33
LOL madokie Dec 2013 #34
Nothing erratic PamW Dec 2013 #32
Nice straw man apporach to your failed attempts 4dsc Dec 2013 #15
You're funny. kristopher Dec 2013 #17
Cost-minimized combinations renewables powering the grid up to 99.9% of the time kristopher Dec 2013 #35
Not a good reference Searay60 Dec 2013 #36
It's an outstanding reference kristopher Dec 2013 #37
Read The Paper Again Searay60 Dec 2013 #38
As I wrote, it's an outstanding reference. kristopher Dec 2013 #39
Kristopher Searay60 Dec 2013 #40
Those are baseless claims kristopher Dec 2013 #41
My posts was factual, practical and experienced. Searay60 Dec 2013 #42
It's amazing... kristopher Dec 2013 #43
You Think A Lot Of Your Self Searay60 Dec 2013 #44
Yeah, yeah yeah... kristopher Dec 2013 #45
LOL Searay60 Dec 2013 #46
Unfortunately... PamW Dec 2013 #47
Talking to yourself again? kristopher Dec 2013 #48
Not at all PamW Dec 2013 #49
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