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Bill USA

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17. "better choices for energy needs" I would be glad to hear you site any..

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:04 PM

Feb 2014

you said:

"even in the most optimistic case, it isn't nearly the reduction that most people assume it would be."

The gains from ethanol in terms of GHG emissions are not assumed they are proven, documented by dept of energy (ANL) and others.

You said;

"There are much better choices for a society to supply its energy needs that will have a far greater reduction in carbon"

I would be glad to hear of any you can mention. Not only that, I would support any that are better. Please site....

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NASCAR hits 5 million miles on 15% Ethanol blend, with 20% less emissions... [View all] Bill USA Feb 2014 OP

FWIW, Indycar has run on 100% methanol since 1964 BlueStreak Feb 2014 #1

Argonne National Laboratory puts ethanol's GHG emissons reduction at 34% vs Bill USA Feb 2014 #4

This report says the CORN-based ethanol has a net NEGATIVE effect on carbon BlueStreak Feb 2014 #6

the article, from 2009 refers to a policy being considered by the CARB... Bill USA Feb 2014 #10

By "respected" I was referring to Sientific American, which is a respected journal BlueStreak Feb 2014 #12

comparing SciAmer to Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) is ludicrous. Bill USA Feb 2014 #15

ANL researchers have closely examined the effects of direct land use. Bill USA Feb 2014 #16

"better choices for energy needs" I would be glad to hear you site any.. Bill USA Feb 2014 #17

Wind, Solar, and conservation. All are better than converting perfectly good food into carbon BlueStreak Feb 2014 #18

we are talking about the GHG emissions from the light transportation sector. Of course I am for all Bill USA Feb 2014 #19

Efficiency. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #23

you have not stated a technology and its GHG reduction numbers. I need estimated or recorded GHG Bill USA Feb 2014 #26

who is the Chairman of the Calif Air Resources Board? Mary Nichols Bill USA Feb 2014 #11

That's all beside the point, I think BlueStreak Feb 2014 #14

you haven't established that food has been taken out of the supply chain. Our farmers are producing Bill USA Feb 2014 #20

No it's not beside the point, unless you don't mind full blown AGW accelerating until we can't rein Bill USA Feb 2014 #21

crop support payments to corporate farms is as abominable as tax breaks for huge oil companies..but Bill USA Feb 2014 #28

"not nearly enough"?: 29 million Priuses needed to achieve Ethanol’s current GHG emissions reduction Bill USA Feb 2014 #30

How about a 67% GHG emissions reduction for ethanol. The ethanol enabled Direct Injection engine .. Bill USA Feb 2014 #31

California's love affair with Big Oil - letters from a Corporate Feudalist State. Bill USA Feb 2014 #13

You aren't going to get past 12-15% efficiency for internal combustion engines. kristopher Feb 2014 #22

Pleasegive timeframe for achieving this bioelectric transportation. You're running out of time. Bill USA Feb 2014 #27

The tank to wheels of ICE isn't going to get above about 18% and avg will be lower. kristopher Feb 2014 #29

James Hansen a huckster? Give timeframe for achieving bioelectric light transportation..# of years.. Bill USA Feb 2014 #32

Earth Warming Faster than Predicted Bill USA Feb 2014 #33

Give the number of years investing in dead end technologies that preserve fossil fuels... kristopher Feb 2014 #35

compared to hybrids and PHEVS? I computed 20 years for Priuses (i.e. hybrids) to equal Ethanol's GHG Bill USA Feb 2014 #42

you're out of your mind: "preserve fossil fuels"? the Oil industry is fanatically fighting ethanol.. Bill USA Mar 2014 #47

alcohol fuel with turbocharging/supercharging has been shown to achieve 40% Brake thermal efficiency Bill USA Feb 2014 #34

You aren't going to get normal driving above 18% in an ICE kristopher Feb 2014 #36

What subsidy? The VEETC ended in 2011. You've drifted off again into your own private world of Bill USA Feb 2014 #37

What are you here advocating for if not subsidies and mandates? kristopher Feb 2014 #39

What subsidy? The VEETC ended in 2011. THis is 2014. Bill USA Feb 2014 #41

29 million Priuses needed to achieve Ethanol’s current GHG reduction. Cost: $232 Billion Bill USA Feb 2014 #38

I'll take Koplow's word for what the ethanol GHG reductions have cost us. kristopher Feb 2014 #40

You are really in your own little world aren't you. Subsidies are not needed by ethanol. It's been Bill USA Feb 2014 #43

I'm pointing out GHG reductions now it will take 29 million hybrids to achieve maybe in 20 yrs. Bill USA Feb 2014 #44

Koplow talks about hypotheticals "under some ....proposals" whose possibilities evaporated in 2011 Bill USA Mar 2014 #45

What polices are you advocating for - spell it out and quit playing silly games. kristopher Mar 2014 #46

again quoting from a 2009 article. the ethanol mandate does not 'cost' us anything,as oil ind says, Bill USA Mar 2014 #49

Koplow is an independent specialist. kristopher Mar 2014 #50

your linked article calculates subsidies for 2008 - 2022. Subsidies for corn ethanol ended 1/1/2012 Bill USA Mar 2014 #51

I've been noticing a bunch of empty seats at NASAR tracks over the last few years. unhappycamper Feb 2014 #2

NASCAR safety trend , is going in the wrong direction. quadrature Feb 2014 #3

you could always go back to the figure 8 races, there's lots of crashes there. Bill USA Feb 2014 #5

Was it my imagination or did the back of the pack create a wreck BlueStreak Feb 2014 #7

5 million miles too many... tinrobot Feb 2014 #8

Greenwashing. GliderGuider Feb 2014 #9

Wonder what the ratio of NASCAR VMT to NASCAR fan VMT is . . . . hatrack Feb 2014 #24

You know, I'd never thought about that aspect of it. GliderGuider Feb 2014 #25

and buys a lot of pseudo-scientific 'research' publicity (Big Oil's Big Stall on Ethanol see link) Bill USA Mar 2014 #48