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In reply to the discussion: NASCAR hits 5 million miles on 15% Ethanol blend, with 20% less emissions... [View all]Bill USA
(6,436 posts)38. 29 million Priuses needed to achieve Ethanol’s current GHG reduction. Cost: $232 Billion
[font size="3"]Using 34% GHG reduction (as per ANL), since ethanol currently provides about 11% of the current fuel supply for cars and light trucks
.... that comes to a GHG emissions reduction of 3.83% FOR THE ENTIRE FLEET of cars and light trucks. 3.83% of 250 million vehicles comes to about 9.6 million cars. The Prius achieves a reduction in gas consumption of 32.6% compared to a a car of comparable weight and payload (Toyota Corolla). So dividing 9.6 million by .326 gives you a little over 29 million Priuses to achieve the same aggregate GHG emissions reductions currently achieved by ethanol.
now how long do you think it will take to sell 9 million hybrids? A Prius costs about $8,000 more than a corolla. Let's say hybrids in general cost $5,000 to $8,000 more than a compaarable weight and payload car. Now, consider how World competition is going to impact our economy's ability to grow and to keep the unemployment rate below 6%. These things are important because when people have less job security they are much less prone to paying several thousand extra dollars for a car - those who can afford to buy a new car, that is.
So, estimates would vary but let's just say it will take 20 years to get to 29 million hybrids (that would take 13% growth in annual sales for 13 yrs, followed by 7 yrs of annual sales growth of 49% to 70% (because of hybrids falling out of service) - so 20 years is a pretty optimistc number, requiring very strong sales growth. It could easily take longer. During that time ethanol would be racking up GHG emissions reductions every year and if we were to take steps to optimize cars for ethanol use, the GHG emissions reductions would be climbing, per unit of ethanol, while the amount of ethanol replacing gas would have been growing..
Prius marginal cost $8,000, multiplied by 29 million equals[font size="4"] $232 Billion[/font].
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NASCAR hits 5 million miles on 15% Ethanol blend, with 20% less emissions... [View all]
Bill USA
Feb 2014
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By "respected" I was referring to Sientific American, which is a respected journal
BlueStreak
Feb 2014
#12
Wind, Solar, and conservation. All are better than converting perfectly good food into carbon
BlueStreak
Feb 2014
#18
we are talking about the GHG emissions from the light transportation sector. Of course I am for all
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#19
you have not stated a technology and its GHG reduction numbers. I need estimated or recorded GHG
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#26
you haven't established that food has been taken out of the supply chain. Our farmers are producing
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#20
No it's not beside the point, unless you don't mind full blown AGW accelerating until we can't rein
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#21
crop support payments to corporate farms is as abominable as tax breaks for huge oil companies..but
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#28
"not nearly enough"?: 29 million Priuses needed to achieve Ethanol’s current GHG emissions reduction
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#30
How about a 67% GHG emissions reduction for ethanol. The ethanol enabled Direct Injection engine ..
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#31
California's love affair with Big Oil - letters from a Corporate Feudalist State.
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#13
You aren't going to get past 12-15% efficiency for internal combustion engines.
kristopher
Feb 2014
#22
Pleasegive timeframe for achieving this bioelectric transportation. You're running out of time.
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#27
The tank to wheels of ICE isn't going to get above about 18% and avg will be lower.
kristopher
Feb 2014
#29
James Hansen a huckster? Give timeframe for achieving bioelectric light transportation..# of years..
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#32
Give the number of years investing in dead end technologies that preserve fossil fuels...
kristopher
Feb 2014
#35
compared to hybrids and PHEVS? I computed 20 years for Priuses (i.e. hybrids) to equal Ethanol's GHG
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#42
you're out of your mind: "preserve fossil fuels"? the Oil industry is fanatically fighting ethanol..
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#47
alcohol fuel with turbocharging/supercharging has been shown to achieve 40% Brake thermal efficiency
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#34
What subsidy? The VEETC ended in 2011. You've drifted off again into your own private world of
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#37
29 million Priuses needed to achieve Ethanol’s current GHG reduction. Cost: $232 Billion
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#38
You are really in your own little world aren't you. Subsidies are not needed by ethanol. It's been
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#43
I'm pointing out GHG reductions now it will take 29 million hybrids to achieve maybe in 20 yrs.
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#44
Koplow talks about hypotheticals "under some ....proposals" whose possibilities evaporated in 2011
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#45
What polices are you advocating for - spell it out and quit playing silly games.
kristopher
Mar 2014
#46
again quoting from a 2009 article. the ethanol mandate does not 'cost' us anything,as oil ind says,
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#49
your linked article calculates subsidies for 2008 - 2022. Subsidies for corn ethanol ended 1/1/2012
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#51
I've been noticing a bunch of empty seats at NASAR tracks over the last few years.
unhappycamper
Feb 2014
#2