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kristopher

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7. Going back to character assassination again?

Reply to nationalize the fed (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:44 PM

Jun 2014

You have cause and effect reversed - lots of people are promoting the new battery technologies precisely because of the reasons laid out by Cox. There aren't any false statements involved in that analysis other than the half truths of the H2 proponents that are identified and explained.

A lot has changed in 11 years and Lovins has, since the 2003 piece you cite, embraced batteries.

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Solar Hydrogen: Fuel of the Future [View all] nationalize the fed Jun 2014 OP

Solar Hydro can!...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #1

K&R. over here folks! A new world is possible... Anansi1171 Jun 2014 #2

Not really. H2 is more hype than hope. kristopher Jun 2014 #3

This post doesn't seem to belong here. DLnyc Jun 2014 #4

It is the difference between hype and reality - AKA "Greenwashing" kristopher Jun 2014 #6

You know, I never thought about flywheels. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #8

Europeans are way ahead of the US nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #11

The large entrenched energy providers trying to preserve their relevance. kristopher Jun 2014 #12

Julian Cox nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #5

Going back to character assassination again? kristopher Jun 2014 #7

The only character assassination involved nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #9

Renewables are impacted by the performance of hydrogen, not the other way around. kristopher Jun 2014 #10

H2 doesn't have to be stored as gas. DetlefK Jun 2014 #22

I am interested in the prospect of using hydrogen for industrial manufacturing StevieM Jun 2014 #13

I really have a hard time seeing how this wins over regular EVs caraher Jun 2014 #14

But what about using hydrogen for other purposes? StevieM Jun 2014 #15

I can certainly imagine other uses caraher Jun 2014 #16

What do you mean by industry and manufacturing? oldhippie Jun 2014 #17

I'm not totally certain myself, which is why I was asking. I think the best examples StevieM Jun 2014 #18

When I think of industrial processes ... oldhippie Jun 2014 #19

Your points about hydrogen are very good ones. But that brings me back to my original question. StevieM Jun 2014 #20

The book lays it out nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #21

Again, this is at best a small niche application caraher Jun 2014 #23

Hydrogen leaks slowly from any material FogerRox Jun 2014 #24

Fuel cells have a long way to go before they can be as efficient as todays EV. FogerRox Jun 2014 #25

No, it really isn't. jeff47 Jun 2014 #26

Well, you could put a whole bunch of solar cells on the roof of the gas station after this... genwah Jun 2014 #27

Hmm...didn't seem to embed. Here you go. genwah Jun 2014 #28