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21. The book lays it out
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jun 2014

I didn't expect anyone to cough up $120 bucks for this but it's an EXCELLENT book and I'm about half way through it.

The case is made with oodles of footnotes and sources.

CHAPTER 4
Solar Hydrogen Utilization

4.4 Hydrogen Fueled Power Plants

Hydrogen can be used efficiently as fuel for thermoelectric power
plants. In 2010, Italy’s largest electricity utility (Enel) opened the world’s first hydrogen power combined cycle plant near Venice (Figure 4.15). Hydrogen is supplied using specially built pipelines from the nearby Polimeri Europa petrochemical plant, where ethylene-cracking is carried out.

The 12MW power plant comprises a hydrogen-fueled combined cycle plant and burns hydrogen gas in a turbine capable of resisting hydrogen embrittlement, which was developed in partnership with General Electric and generates both electricity and heat. The plant uses 1.3 tonnes of hydrogen per hour, has an overall efficiency of about 42%, and is essentially free of emissions. The efficiency of the process is increased by using the heat from the emissions to generate high-temperature steam, which is sent to the nearby coal-fired plant to generate an additional 4MW of power capacity. Overall, the electricity generated, equal to about 60 million kWh per year, will be sufficient to meet the needs of
20 000 households, avoiding more than 17 000 tonnes of CO2 emissions a
year...



Figure 4.15 The first industrial-size power plant fueled by hydrogen in the world
opened in 2010 in Fusina, near Venice, Italy.
(Reproduced from www.demotix.com/photo/388950/enel-first-powerplant-
fuelled-hydrogen-world, with kind permission.)

Trivia: Did you know there are ~22 LITRES of Hydrogen Gas in ~1 Tablespoon of water? (1.2 tablespoons (one mole of water) makes 22.42 litres of H2 gas and 11.21 litres of O2 gas)

Solar Hydrogen: Fuel of the Future [View all] nationalize the fed Jun 2014 OP
Solar Hydro can!...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #1
K&R. over here folks! A new world is possible... Anansi1171 Jun 2014 #2
Not really. H2 is more hype than hope. kristopher Jun 2014 #3
This post doesn't seem to belong here. DLnyc Jun 2014 #4
It is the difference between hype and reality - AKA "Greenwashing" kristopher Jun 2014 #6
You know, I never thought about flywheels. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #8
Europeans are way ahead of the US nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #11
The large entrenched energy providers trying to preserve their relevance. kristopher Jun 2014 #12
Julian Cox nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #5
Going back to character assassination again? kristopher Jun 2014 #7
The only character assassination involved nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #9
Renewables are impacted by the performance of hydrogen, not the other way around. kristopher Jun 2014 #10
H2 doesn't have to be stored as gas. DetlefK Jun 2014 #22
I am interested in the prospect of using hydrogen for industrial manufacturing StevieM Jun 2014 #13
I really have a hard time seeing how this wins over regular EVs caraher Jun 2014 #14
But what about using hydrogen for other purposes? StevieM Jun 2014 #15
I can certainly imagine other uses caraher Jun 2014 #16
What do you mean by industry and manufacturing? oldhippie Jun 2014 #17
I'm not totally certain myself, which is why I was asking. I think the best examples StevieM Jun 2014 #18
When I think of industrial processes ... oldhippie Jun 2014 #19
Your points about hydrogen are very good ones. But that brings me back to my original question. StevieM Jun 2014 #20
The book lays it out nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #21
Again, this is at best a small niche application caraher Jun 2014 #23
Hydrogen leaks slowly from any material FogerRox Jun 2014 #24
Fuel cells have a long way to go before they can be as efficient as todays EV. FogerRox Jun 2014 #25
No, it really isn't. jeff47 Jun 2014 #26
Well, you could put a whole bunch of solar cells on the roof of the gas station after this... genwah Jun 2014 #27
Hmm...didn't seem to embed. Here you go. genwah Jun 2014 #28
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