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FBaggins

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7. Really?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:59 PM - Edit history (1)

That is just one of the findings of a new independent report...

Anti-nuclear activist Mycle Snyder is now an independent source?

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Who knew that nuclear power was so cheap and renewables so expensive?

Scores of reactors under construction for less than $25 Billion per year? Amazing.

no single Generation III reactor has come into service in the past 20 years.

Really? I can think of four in Japan (two in 1996, one in 2005, and one in 2006), a few in China and Russia, and a couple in Russia that have either started or will in the next few months. It's also a pretty disingenuous claim... since they well know that there are quite a few Gen III and III+ due to come online in the next few years.

China, which leads the world in new nuclear builds, spent about $9 billion in 2014, but invested more than $83 billion on wind and solar in the same year.

China produced about 140 Billion kWh of wind generation in 2014. Who knew that wind was so expensive? Note that the sixth reactor at Hongyanhe poured first concrete yesterday (and fuel is about to be loaded into the 4th). When all six are completed, they'll produce about 1/3rd as much electricity per year and all of the Chinese wind generation in 2014 combined. One plant... and they have lots of them planned

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According to the report, China spent $40 billion of that on solar... installing somewhere between 10.6 and 12 GW of solar capacity. ~$3.5billion per GW of solar capacity? What happened to solar being cheaper than nuclear power?

China has more than ~25 reactors under construction and plans to continue starts at the rate of ~6/year... They expect to start eight new units this year and bring 14GW of new nuclear generation into service this year and next. Yet they can handle that for only $9 billion per year? Who knew that nuclear was so cheap?

Or maybe Mycle is just playing dishonest games with the numbers... again.

bookmarked daleanime Jul 2015 #1
Lol... he "changed his mind"? FBaggins Jul 2015 #2
Around the World, Nuclear Can't Compete With Growing Renewables kristopher Jul 2015 #3
Really? FBaggins Jul 2015 #7
Yeah, well... kristopher Jul 2015 #9
Snyder work is some of the most highly regarded in the world on this topic kristopher Jul 2015 #10
Cool! When is it going to "kill" fossil fuels? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #4
When are you going to help instead of obstruct? kristopher Jul 2015 #5
What, exactly, is "the problem" from where you sit? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #6
You know very well what it is. kristopher Jul 2015 #11
Actually, I'm particularly motivated to piss on growth GliderGuider Jul 2015 #13
Bullshit. kristopher Jul 2015 #14
Now I'm all hurt. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #15
Why should you be? kristopher Jul 2015 #16
You're an odd duck, kris. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #17
Of course you don't. kristopher Jul 2015 #21
Such a strange usage of "killing" FBaggins Jul 2015 #8
Not even a bit strange - kristopher Jul 2015 #12
Here's an interesting aggregated view of 50 years of energy use GliderGuider Jul 2015 #18
Which translates into no hope for the planet. NNadir Jul 2015 #19
Nope. kristopher Jul 2015 #20
There's actually a word for spending 2 trillion dollars for no result... NNadir Jul 2015 #38
The problem is not energy, the problem is too many humans. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #28
We'll pass the point of no return before renewables do anything. joshcryer Jul 2015 #22
That's what it comes down to. Fossil fuels have the world in their grip GliderGuider Jul 2015 #23
"Fossil fuels have the world in their grip" Really? jonno99 Jul 2015 #29
So we can stop any time we like right? Like a heroin junkie? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #30
So things like refrigeration, and reducing the back-breaking toil of human labor - jonno99 Jul 2015 #31
Pretty well everyone in the world thinks like you. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #32
"thinking that's the way it should be." No - that's simply the way it IS. jonno99 Jul 2015 #33
I'm just as guilty as everyone else. The difference is GliderGuider Jul 2015 #35
Guilty? No. Unless you consider that it is your fault that you were born into the place jonno99 Jul 2015 #36
I'm going to keep plugging away for sure. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #37
I agree with your thinking kristopher Jul 2015 #34
You could be correct but if that happens it will be a matter of public will, not technology. kristopher Jul 2015 #24
It's also a question of the speed of climate change. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #25
Are you defending buggy whip makers again? kristopher Jul 2015 #26
No, I'm asking you how you see the politics in relation to the time scale. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #27
Idiotic. joshcryer Aug 2015 #39
Nuclear is rightly irrelevant. joshcryer Aug 2015 #40
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