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kristopher

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24. You could be correct but if that happens it will be a matter of public will, not technology.

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:40 PM

Jul 2015

The central good of the news in this OP isn't so much the decline of nuclear, it is the cause of the decline of nuclear being the rapidly improving economics of renewables. So far this year about 70% of installed global capacity has been renewable with virtually zero coal in the mix.

That relates directly to will. The decarbonization effort has heretofore been made much more difficult because of opponents ability to use high cost as their cornerstone argument. That PR advantage is not only disappearing but actually reversing itself as the best economic choice is more and more clearly some form of renewables.

That creates ever more "economic winners" to act against the winners in the fossil fuel based system.

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Renewable Energy is Killing Nuclear Power No Hope for Nuclear [View all] kristopher Jul 2015 OP

bookmarked daleanime Jul 2015 #1

Lol... he "changed his mind"? FBaggins Jul 2015 #2

Around the World, Nuclear Can't Compete With Growing Renewables kristopher Jul 2015 #3

Really? FBaggins Jul 2015 #7

Yeah, well... kristopher Jul 2015 #9

Snyder work is some of the most highly regarded in the world on this topic kristopher Jul 2015 #10

Cool! When is it going to "kill" fossil fuels? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #4

When are you going to help instead of obstruct? kristopher Jul 2015 #5

What, exactly, is "the problem" from where you sit? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #6

You know very well what it is. kristopher Jul 2015 #11

Actually, I'm particularly motivated to piss on growth GliderGuider Jul 2015 #13

Bullshit. kristopher Jul 2015 #14

Now I'm all hurt. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #15

Why should you be? kristopher Jul 2015 #16

You're an odd duck, kris. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #17

Of course you don't. kristopher Jul 2015 #21

Such a strange usage of "killing" FBaggins Jul 2015 #8

Not even a bit strange - kristopher Jul 2015 #12

Here's an interesting aggregated view of 50 years of energy use GliderGuider Jul 2015 #18

Which translates into no hope for the planet. NNadir Jul 2015 #19

Nope. kristopher Jul 2015 #20

There's actually a word for spending 2 trillion dollars for no result... NNadir Jul 2015 #38

The problem is not energy, the problem is too many humans. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #28

We'll pass the point of no return before renewables do anything. joshcryer Jul 2015 #22

That's what it comes down to. Fossil fuels have the world in their grip GliderGuider Jul 2015 #23

"Fossil fuels have the world in their grip" Really? jonno99 Jul 2015 #29

So we can stop any time we like right? Like a heroin junkie? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #30

So things like refrigeration, and reducing the back-breaking toil of human labor - jonno99 Jul 2015 #31

Pretty well everyone in the world thinks like you. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #32

"thinking that's the way it should be." No - that's simply the way it IS. jonno99 Jul 2015 #33

I'm just as guilty as everyone else. The difference is GliderGuider Jul 2015 #35

Guilty? No. Unless you consider that it is your fault that you were born into the place jonno99 Jul 2015 #36

I'm going to keep plugging away for sure. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #37

I agree with your thinking kristopher Jul 2015 #34

You could be correct but if that happens it will be a matter of public will, not technology. kristopher Jul 2015 #24

It's also a question of the speed of climate change. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #25

Are you defending buggy whip makers again? kristopher Jul 2015 #26

No, I'm asking you how you see the politics in relation to the time scale. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #27

Idiotic. joshcryer Aug 2015 #39

Nuclear is rightly irrelevant. joshcryer Aug 2015 #40