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Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: “What must be said” by Günter Grass [View all]oberliner
(58,724 posts)140. He volunteered to fight for the Nazis in the navy
At that point he was turned down due to his age.
He was then subsequently conscripted into the Waffen-SS.
Unlike thousands of other German teenagers who refused to be conscripted and risked the consequences, he made no attempt to evade his conscription and dutifully did his bit for Nazi Germany.
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It is a very good poem, period. Deviate from the poem if you must and you make his point.
Jefferson23
Apr 2012
#2
Notice your use of the past tense, as opposed to Shira for whom you are running interference.
JackRiddler
Apr 2012
#116
Bush and Obama have both had to resist an Israeli push to start a war on Iran.
JackRiddler
Apr 2012
#150
I'm not an "Israel hater"...just a critic of what that state's government has done
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#99
Ehud Barak offered far more than Rabin was willing to concede just 5 years prior.
shira
Apr 2012
#100
Yeah...but that's largely due to the fact that he's STILL Bibi's defense minister
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#101
I don't answer meaningless questions. You definitely do not represent the "International Left" --
JackRiddler
Apr 2012
#151
You mean those more concerned with hardline ideological purity as compared to
Ruby the Liberal
Apr 2012
#158
the same could be asked of you why do need to believe that he volunteered for the SS?
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#44
It was in the same autobiography that he revealed that he was drafted into the SS Panzer unit
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#51
"I don't believe anything he says" so then why bring up his autobiography? n/t
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#55
It said he'd concealed it for decades, not that he'd been a member for decades
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#58
The fact that Grass devoted the next sixty years to confronting Germany's Nazi history
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#57
Other than daring to call out Bibi the Infallible on his demands for slaughter
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#92
Grass whitewashed Iran's hostility towards Israel, its support for terror/rockets...
shira
Apr 2012
#96
of course on the flip side of that one could say that Israel has been in a proxy war against Iran
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#134
ah so Leftish Brit and I are agreeing with Stormfront that's nice to know thanks n/t
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#45
I believe it is a fair bet, that he'll not be concerned of your opinion..considering his
Jefferson23
Apr 2012
#13
They're allowed to have an opinion about someone's reaction of a review...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#16
Iran believes it's about Jews. It's why they fund and arm Hamas and Hezbollah...
shira
Apr 2012
#111
I'm sure anyone who's the slightest bit rational would agree it's not antisemitic...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#30
What about it? That it's not at all antisemitic or bigoted in any way whatsoever? n/t
shira
Apr 2012
#82
what kind of peace deal oh and what happens to nonJewish Israeli's in the Jewish state?
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#87
shira your reply so full of false accusations that I can only come to the conclusion
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#94
and yet still more accusations and avoidance, Lebanon, Haneen Zoabi ......blame anyone else
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#103
ah so I do not meet your expectation by placing all the blame on Lebanon and Hamas
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#124
shira that is why I support a Palestinian state you can point the finger and the blame all you want
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#171
this is one of the most perverted viewpoints i have read in my entire life......
pelsar
Apr 2012
#165
Perverted and antisemtic? how classy of you however polls have shown that half
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#166
a bit of an exaggeration so now you accuse me of claiming the Israeli's are commiting genocide?
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#170
pelsar it is you who called me antisemtic a few posts back and not for the first time either
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#173
I get what yr trying to claim, but even if you'd said that it's still not antisemitism...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#31
Is it really that difficult for you to reconcile that Israel IS NOT a signer to NPT???
Jefferson23
Apr 2012
#21
( 1) No, there are never enough ? I can fit in after reading your twisted understanding of
Jefferson23
Apr 2012
#27
Oh, I forgot. He's not only a Nazi, but a David Duke clone! How forgetful of me!
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#71
Even if that were the case, it would not equate to becoming a bigot against people of that faith
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#74
Just FYI. There are a HELL of a lot of posters on DU who were brought up in some religion
Crunchy Frog
Apr 2012
#175
It would be an excellent thing if all people freed themselves from faith-based religion.
JackRiddler
Apr 2012
#139
The point is that your attempted character assassination on Yossi Gurvitz is irrelevant.
JackRiddler
Apr 2012
#147
Your opinion on Grass is dumber than dumb and how callous of you but thanks for the kick. n/t
Jefferson23
Apr 2012
#167