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shira

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153. Well, I don't expect Leftists to side with Waffen SS nazis...
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 05:34 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 06:35 PM - Edit history (5)

...and spew anti-Israel (anti-Jewish) hate in the same manner that the far right, neo-nazi fascists do.

That should be the least that sane rational people should expect of the International Left.

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Speaking of the International (rightwing) Left, here's an article from Yossi Gurvitz (the guy you defended for seeing the light and turning atheist):

One of the phenomena characterizing the coverage of the J14 protests from the beginning was the long faces of a significant number of notable international peace activists. But…but… but you’re not talking about the occupation, they demanded of the marching Israelis. They were soundly ignored, the protest became a mass success, and they became much more bitter.

At one point – it was during the third or fourth week of the protests – one of them wrote it was a struggle “about the price of cottage cheese”. I politely invited him to join Netanyahu’s PR team. He was gravely insulted, and I sincerely hope he won’t forgive me; yet the claims of many international activists against J14 were greatly similar to those of Netanyahu’s PR. We were told it’s the protest of people living in luxury, who fail to deal with the only real thing around here. Netanyahu’s bureau would call it The Second Independence War/The Second Zionist War/The Great War against the Dark Palestinian Conspiracy; the international activists just call it by that much more common name, the occupation.

As the protest grew stronger, they grew ever more bitter, spending much of their time mocking it. This behaviour raises two questions: One, just what sort of a leftist spends so much energy on opposing a protest intended to bring about a social-democratic regime, which did much to bring together Jews and Palestinians, and the only protest in the last decade – at least – which presented to a crowd of several hundred thousand Jews Palestinian speakers. The second question is: Just what the hell happened to your sense of solidarity? Why can’t you show some good will towards people who stood by your side in the West Bank, and consumed alongside you bulk quantities of CS gas?

The depressing answer is we’re not dealing with leftists, but rather with Palestinian right-wingers. They suffer from tunnel-vision: All they see is the occupation.
As if there wasn’t an Israel beyond it, as if people did not live and breath and love and die here, who had other issues on their mind. The never-ceasing demand from J14 to speak about the occupation, one begins to suspect, is intended for one thing only: Division of the protest movement. Then we’ll be pure and just again. Admittedly, there’ll be only about a dozen of us, but ideological purity should conquer all.


http://972mag.com/time-for-a-changing-of-the-guard/21616/

Gurvitz didn't go far enough. The only kind of "Leftists" who'd refuse to stand side-by-side with Leftist Jews in a social protest are in fact rightwing anti-Semites who don't believe Israel's Leftists are good enough to be their allies.
Nice poem about Jews coming from a former Waffen SS soldier. n/t shira Apr 2012 #1
It is a very good poem, period. Deviate from the poem if you must and you make his point. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #2
He's a POS nazi who believes Israel is a threat to peace, not Iran.... shira Apr 2012 #3
Rant away, and you keep making his point...thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #5
Shame on you for this lie. You expose yourself. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #105
What lie? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #109
This can't be a serious reply. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #113
How very 2+2=5 of you. Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #114
Notice your use of the past tense, as opposed to Shira for whom you are running interference. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #116
It took 6 decades for Grass to come clean about his SS past. Why? n/t shira Apr 2012 #117
You may be demonstrating one reason why he might have been reluctant. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #120
I'm not running interference for anyone. Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #119
De facto, you are. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #137
A child soldier? At 17? oberliner Apr 2012 #131
A drafted minor, if you wish. Drafted. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #136
He volunteered to fight for the Nazis in the navy oberliner Apr 2012 #140
Your argument is not relevant and a distraction. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #142
I made no argument about nuclear weapons oberliner Apr 2012 #145
That is correct. Which is why you are engaging in irrelevant distraction. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #146
Fine, let's talk nuclear weapons and Israel shira Apr 2012 #148
Bush and Obama have both had to resist an Israeli push to start a war on Iran. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #150
Grass wrote that Israel will annihilate Iran's people in a war.... shira Apr 2012 #152
This distraction was not introduced by me oberliner Apr 2012 #155
seems he was drafted into the SS rather than joining voluntarily azurnoir Apr 2012 #4
And of course you believe him leftynyc Apr 2012 #33
no I think he was drafted as a teenager azurnoir Apr 2012 #34
That's what he says leftynyc Apr 2012 #35
well that's your prerogative isn't it? azurnoir Apr 2012 #37
Yup, my perogative leftynyc Apr 2012 #40
If Grass HAD enjoyed himself in the Waffen SS Ken Burch Apr 2012 #91
Cut the BS out WRT support for Netanyahu.... shira Apr 2012 #95
I'm not an "Israel hater"...just a critic of what that state's government has done Ken Burch Apr 2012 #99
Ehud Barak offered far more than Rabin was willing to concede just 5 years prior. shira Apr 2012 #100
Yeah...but that's largely due to the fact that he's STILL Bibi's defense minister Ken Burch Apr 2012 #101
Bullshit. The International Left blasted his peace efforts back in 2000... shira Apr 2012 #102
Thank you, Mr. Objective Spokesperson of the "International Left" JackRiddler Apr 2012 #138
You think Gunter Glass represents the Left? If so, how is it... shira Apr 2012 #149
I don't answer meaningless questions. You definitely do not represent the "International Left" -- JackRiddler Apr 2012 #151
Well, I don't expect Leftists to side with Waffen SS nazis... shira Apr 2012 #153
Shame on you once again. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #156
What do you have to say WRT Gurvitz' article about the International Left... shira Apr 2012 #157
You mean those more concerned with hardline ideological purity as compared to Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #158
Azurnoir, why do u think Grass waited 60 yrs to admit he was Waffen SS? n/t shira Apr 2012 #36
I don't know why do you think ? azurnoir Apr 2012 #39
Why are you refusing to accept leftynyc Apr 2012 #41
the same could be asked of you why do need to believe that he volunteered for the SS? azurnoir Apr 2012 #44
True leftynyc Apr 2012 #48
It was in the same autobiography that he revealed that he was drafted into the SS Panzer unit azurnoir Apr 2012 #51
On the contrary leftynyc Apr 2012 #53
"I don't believe anything he says" so then why bring up his autobiography? n/t azurnoir Apr 2012 #55
It said he'd concealed it for decades, not that he'd been a member for decades Ken Burch Apr 2012 #58
he wasn't exactly cali Apr 2012 #164
but unfortunately for you it's not just me saying that n/t azurnoir Apr 2012 #46
The fact that Grass devoted the next sixty years to confronting Germany's Nazi history Ken Burch Apr 2012 #57
Tell me what you think about post #67 WRT Grass.... shira Apr 2012 #79
I think it's not a particularly impressive argument Ken Burch Apr 2012 #89
Not impressive? Iran isn't attacking Israel through Hamas and Hezbollah? shira Apr 2012 #98
Other than daring to call out Bibi the Infallible on his demands for slaughter Ken Burch Apr 2012 #92
Grass whitewashed Iran's hostility towards Israel, its support for terror/rockets... shira Apr 2012 #96
I'm guessing that there are some people who are demonizing Grass Ken Burch Apr 2012 #56
Grass deserves criticism. The worst thing he said about Ahmadenijad... shira Apr 2012 #67
well I don't know about that however azurnoir Apr 2012 #77
Not surprised Ken Burch Apr 2012 #78
Is the Pope demonizing Israel? holdencaufield Apr 2012 #93
Do I believe he was 17 years old at the end of the war? Yes I do. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #108
Right, Iran is no threat. They attack Israel through Hamas and Hezbollah... shira Apr 2012 #110
Hamas is the result of Israeli violence. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #115
When you said Iran has attacked no one, you were wrong. Correct? shira Apr 2012 #118
Iran is supporting the Gazan defense against a perpetual Israeli attack. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #121
Gazan defense? They're very clear (on video in Arabic) that they really... shira Apr 2012 #123
Ha, ha: "Israel got out of Lebanon back in 2000." JackRiddler Apr 2012 #126
Yeah, they did. And Hezbollah started the 2006 war. shira Apr 2012 #132
of course on the flip side of that one could say that Israel has been in a proxy war against Iran azurnoir Apr 2012 #134
It's a rotten poem - the first four lines are OK LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #6
Thanks for stopping by with a crap review. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #8
So a negative reaction is crap? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #9
The blame Israel first crowd is having orgasms over it... shira Apr 2012 #10
You would think people would leftynyc Apr 2012 #43
ah so Leftish Brit and I are agreeing with Stormfront that's nice to know thanks n/t azurnoir Apr 2012 #45
Why, yes, you are leftynyc Apr 2012 #49
only me ? I suggest you read comment #6 too anything to say about that azurnoir Apr 2012 #50
I wasn't aware I had to engage leftynyc Apr 2012 #52
really is that your reasoning? azurnoir Apr 2012 #54
The review was, learn to read. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #11
You must be reading a different review. Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #12
I believe it is a fair bet, that he'll not be concerned of your opinion..considering his Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #13
They're allowed to have an opinion about someone's reaction of a review... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #16
I'm not into poetry, myself. Nor into Godwinising... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #18
Godwinising (don't all just love that word) holdencaufield Apr 2012 #76
Shame on you for this falsehood. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #104
Iran believes it's about Jews. It's why they fund and arm Hamas and Hezbollah... shira Apr 2012 #111
"...who became one of the GREAT WRITERS of the last 67 years" holdencaufield Apr 2012 #127
Or Dr Seuss... Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #128
Interesting comment from Tom Segev in Ha'aretz LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #7
He can become an contributing writer... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #14
Being familiar with Der Sturmer, it was violently antisemitic... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #17
What is anti-semitism? holdencaufield Apr 2012 #19
Criticising Israel isn't antisemitism... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #20
"Criticising Israel isn't antisemitism..." holdencaufield Apr 2012 #22
The bulk of yr post argued that it was... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #23
...the poem was not the slightest bit antisemitic... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #25
I'm sure anyone who's the slightest bit rational would agree it's not antisemitic... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #30
Violet, you obviously need a lesson WRT what is antisemitic or not.... shira Apr 2012 #42
And if I did, you'd be just the person I'd nominate to teach me! Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #59
You're avoiding the obvious... shira Apr 2012 #65
Pretty sure I covered all the obvious stuff in my post... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #68
and what about the Palestinian 'cause'? azurnoir Apr 2012 #75
What about it? That it's not at all antisemitic or bigoted in any way whatsoever? n/t shira Apr 2012 #82
well it seems you've had a change of heart azurnoir Apr 2012 #83
Yeah right, no more posting any of that as none of it's true. n/t shira Apr 2012 #84
well IMO Palestions love their occupiers azurnoir Apr 2012 #85
That doesn't give Palestinians or their supporters the right to be anti-Semites shira Apr 2012 #86
what kind of peace deal oh and what happens to nonJewish Israeli's in the Jewish state? azurnoir Apr 2012 #87
Please, enough of this BS faux concern for non-Jews of Israel... shira Apr 2012 #88
shira your reply so full of false accusations that I can only come to the conclusion azurnoir Apr 2012 #94
Talk about avoiding the issues.... shira Apr 2012 #97
and yet still more accusations and avoidance, Lebanon, Haneen Zoabi ......blame anyone else azurnoir Apr 2012 #103
Look, if you cared for Palestinian human rights, then I'd expect.... shira Apr 2012 #107
ah so I do not meet your expectation by placing all the blame on Lebanon and Hamas azurnoir Apr 2012 #124
You don't criticize them at all for their abuse of Palestinians.. shira Apr 2012 #129
still ranting because Arabs won't solve Israel's Palestinian problem I see azurnoir Apr 2012 #135
Az, you're the one who allegedly supports the poor Palestinians.... shira Apr 2012 #168
shira that is why I support a Palestinian state you can point the finger and the blame all you want azurnoir Apr 2012 #171
this is one of the most perverted viewpoints i have read in my entire life...... pelsar Apr 2012 #165
Perverted and antisemtic? how classy of you however polls have shown that half azurnoir Apr 2012 #166
Right Az, the Israelis always have the worst motives towards Palestinians... shira Apr 2012 #169
a bit of an exaggeration so now you accuse me of claiming the Israeli's are commiting genocide? azurnoir Apr 2012 #170
perverted it remains......expelling the arab israelis? pelsar Apr 2012 #172
pelsar it is you who called me antisemtic a few posts back and not for the first time either azurnoir Apr 2012 #173
I'm sure you're not going to get this holdencaufield Apr 2012 #26
I get what yr trying to claim, but even if you'd said that it's still not antisemitism... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #31
Is it really that difficult for you to reconcile that Israel IS NOT a signer to NPT??? Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #21
????? holdencaufield Apr 2012 #24
( 1) No, there are never enough ? I can fit in after reading your twisted understanding of Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #27
Retort holdencaufield Apr 2012 #28
You should read with attention to the inspections ( lack of) in the poem. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #29
I think you've just produced the first editorial for the new edition. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #106
I know holdencaufield Apr 2012 #125
k&r Thank you for posting oh brave one...+1 eom Purveyor Apr 2012 #15
Despite Israeli charges, Gunter Grass is not an anti-Semite Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #32
Says Yossi Gurvitz, who writes of Jewish Supremacism and Judeo-Nazis. n/t shira Apr 2012 #38
Clearly he's a Nazi! n/t Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #61
It means that people who sound just like David Duke do not get... shira Apr 2012 #64
Oh, I forgot. He's not only a Nazi, but a David Duke clone! How forgetful of me! Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #71
You wouldn't have a problem w/ anyone writing about Islamo-Nazis.... shira Apr 2012 #81
About Yossi Gurvitz oberliner Apr 2012 #47
And the problem with that is? Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Apr 2012 #62
It means he went from one type of fanaticism to another. n/t shira Apr 2012 #63
Since when has being ultra-orthodox or atheist been fanatical? Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #70
Are you saying that all athiests are fanatics? Ken Burch Apr 2012 #73
Intolerant Atheists who bash other religions are fanatical... shira Apr 2012 #80
Are you saying ALL athiests are intolerant? Ken Burch Apr 2012 #90
Not necessarily LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #133
Try substituing the word "Muslim" for the word "Jew" oberliner Apr 2012 #66
Or Christian. So what? Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #69
Even if that were the case, it would not equate to becoming a bigot against people of that faith Ken Burch Apr 2012 #74
Not necessarily at all. LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #141
Antisemitism: who gets to decide? oberliner Apr 2012 #143
Just FYI. There are a HELL of a lot of posters on DU who were brought up in some religion Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #175
I am not calling anyone a bigot oberliner Apr 2012 #176
The fact that he turned athiest is irrelevant Ken Burch Apr 2012 #72
What an excellent thing. Too bad all religionists can't free themselves. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #122
What about Muslims? oberliner Apr 2012 #130
It would be an excellent thing if all people freed themselves from faith-based religion. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #139
I would encourage you to spread that message across the Middle East oberliner Apr 2012 #144
The point is that your attempted character assassination on Yossi Gurvitz is irrelevant. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #147
No character assassination whatsoever oberliner Apr 2012 #154
Utter nonsense. n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #112
Israel has reacted with hysteria over Gunter Grass Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #159
When Grass claims Israel is about to annihilate Iranians, that's hysteria. n/t shira Apr 2012 #160
You've helped to make his point and often in this thread. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #161
Small window of opportunity for a strike on Iran Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #162
wowzer. how tone deaf and callous do you have to be to post a poem on this cali Apr 2012 #163
Your opinion on Grass is dumber than dumb and how callous of you but thanks for the kick. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #167
why honeypie cali Apr 2012 #174
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